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hello and welcome to the program. i'm told mccrae, ignoring international law position, including appeals from you as president joe biden is. riley troops have seized the roof of crossing and cancer. more palestinians have been killed in attacks on the area to a place where is royal, had ordered them to flee for safety. just as the fullest movement of people constitutes a will crime, another appears to be being committed by his ro, an ordering palestinians till now leave ruffin. as well as action tramples are the use of carefully negotiated agreements on how to govern the crossing. the vital gateways of people and goods in and out of the strip. so what does the seizure of ralph in maine for guys is palestinians who and now and even grace had died you and will be of the consequences. the israel will be asking out panel of this, these questions in more, in just a few moments. but 1st, this report from alexandra by us only hours after her mazda is acceptance of a ceasefire. proposal is rarely tanks rolled into rasa. seizing the border,

crossing with egypt and putting a choke hold on, one of the strips, last remaining lifelines in the above. the closure of the rough are crossing has prevented the entry of trucks carrying mits and medical equipment and fuel that is necessary for hospitals and has prevented the departure of thousands of wounded people and patients who were waiting to travel. as the tanks advanced as regularly war plans bombed and densely packed homes, and israel ordered 100000 palestinians to leave eastern rasa. its war cabinet voting unanimously to continue military operations in the southern guys of city. nearly 1500000 displaced civilians have sought safety. their global condemnation was wide spread and immediate make no mistake. a full scale assault on vasa would be a human catastrophe. countless modesty viewed in casualties gone to a small family as far as the fleet. yet the gain beyond the humanitarian fears,

israel's actions, this will throw regional peace in the balance. these really prime minister has repeatedly said the border and philadelphia cord or a narrow strip of land that served as a buffer zone between egypt and gaza were used for terrors purposes and must be under israel's control. but both egypt and homos strongly opposed any is really occupation of the border. that would be a breach of long standing treaties and agreements. the egyptian parliament has warrant such a move would be a great risk and an in direct threat to egypt. alexander buyers, alda 0 for inside story to the russell border. crossing is gauze, is main transit points of people in goods, including humanitarian aid. it's governed by a complex set of agreements that as well has now breached. it was established as a bosses on under the egypt as well at peace, tracy of 1979,

based on the camp david accords. headlight is out the militarize ons and borders and limits the presence of egypt, military and this and not potentially when israel withdrew soldiers in st. louis from kaiser in 2005, it's signed the philadelphia cooled with egypt. ben covered how the roof of border crossing was to be run and allowed egypt to deploy gods. shortly off to israel and the palestinian orthor, he reached their own agreement on movement an excess outlining how they would jointly galvin the kansas sides as well. suspended the deal when high miles come to a pallet in 2007 rough has since been on the joint control of egypt and tomas and gaza. kelly, spring and now guess now in london, selman shank is a form of you and official and found the of the piece building organization the shake group know a day is a political analyst and public diplomacy specialist who is with us from ramallah also in london. ha ha, is

a senior associated fellow and the kind of get endowment for international peace and the royal united services institute. thank you very much for being with us here on inside story. first of all, solomon, if i can begin with you, can you just give us, you will perspective on what you believe is happening in and around for off of broad now, specifically in regards to the crossing what, why is this world that, what is it trying to achieve i think it looks like this. thoughts of a roading operation into the rough? uh yes, it could be diplomatic clustering to try and put more pressure on. i'm us before any agreement comes to fruition. but i, i have my doubts. i am quite quite worried that with the pressure on that and yahoo delivering a total victory as he says, and promising to go into the fun with his cabinet, his right wing extremist genocidal cabinet for some breathing down his neck that

this uh this so called limited operation was suppose it is not trust any red lines or president biden will actually roll into something much bigger in nor do you agree with that, that this is the just the beginning of a rolling operation by as row. i fear it, but it may be yes. and we've seen that happen in previous ground invasions during this war where nothing. yeah, how would downplay how long it might take, how extensive it is? and then we see the bills, you know, red lines and those parameters kind of expand them, become a lot more or less tech. so for now there's some verbal, at least pressure on israel. there will be some maneuvering, but i fear that given the way the talks are going, the, the ground and vision enough, i could escalate this into something even more catastrophic than what we're seeing right now. yeah, i'd say can we just take a step back and give us a little bit of context here? can you just explain why the rough a crossing is so important?

knowing the, you know, before the bowl before october, the 7th. but especially since, because it was really the only crossing that wasn't completely controlled by his well, wasn't it? so thank you for the invitation. there are 7 line crossings from god's into protocol. the rest of the outside world. 6 of them are completely and totally and sold by israel. the 7th, which was that of us, was partially controlled by israel. and this is one of the reasons why international law and international community has been so clear that gaza is an occupied tired treaty because israel maintains effective control over gaza. and how that was done since 1967, even after the withdrawal of troops in 2005. so i think that's important for us in terms of the frame it is here. um when it comes that off because that was pressure control, there was

a somewhat. busy leniency in terms of people moving um through that border crossing as. busy as a and and when we look at how. busy the these way the government has been incredibly resistant to aid in flows through other border crossings, letter long people in terms of people trying to flee the fighting and so on. and i think it's a, i think it's a very poor indicates or as to what we can expect going forward for in the sense that i think that the aid organizations are incredibly concerned about what this means for the flow of age and for people leaving especially for medical emergencies, and keeping in mind that despite all of this talk around negotiations and you know we've had the conversation now over the last few minutes about that. the fact of the matter is that is really media broke the story earlier today. last week,

at a thursday's war cabinet meeting, benjamin netanyahu proposed starting the military operation or off off as he called it as soon as possible. and he over roads and the word cabinet ministers and the professionals, and a source with knowledge of the details at the meeting said everybody rejected that . but he overrode that. so i think that the notion that there's, you know, to, to, uh, 2 parties here, negotiating in good faith somehow is extremely erroneous. um, and i'm alexis of mine. i'm concerned that this could very easily escalates. um the fact that that has gotten worse thus far doesn't mean that there's been a decision to roll back. i think that there is a political calculation going on here that has nothing to do with security that has nothing to do with the hostages. that frankly, doesn't even really have much to do it from us,

but has to do with management that's in yeah. who trying to ensure the continuation of his political standing as prime minister. yeah. solomon, if i can come see to you. now obviously this is happening as a child was outlining in the context of the sci fi tools that have been on again and off again, growing pressure from the united states. why do you think that often months and months of talking about this isn't yahoo has decided to go into rafa and take control of the crossing now because we didn't put the god rails on benjamin netanyahu pretty much from the 1st week of trout say that the 7th off of those atrocities are committed, you know, i was in dublin and in 2006 and that was working for the u. n. and it was pretty quick. but the american administration did even this, that was a devastating role for some 11. and that the president bush and found the rice for god rapes on. and is there any cabinet which was shots?

i didn't know the well, that didn't happen this time. and you know, these are, these have this notion of an hour of loss. the, they think that there is a to assign that will eventually run out of now clauses the moment when they have to kind of wrap up. well, they must keep looking at the house lost and saying, i can't believe that that the, the site is still that, that really just hasn't been the kind of signaling. but that wasn't necessary right now, 7 months plus on red lines. and remember, the present button was positive, it previous red line in syria, and then the obama administration doesn't seem to carry the kind of way that they should. and so benjamin netanyahu is doing what she needs to do to stay empower otherwise. it's between the counselor and the bill, the i. this is a collapse of his cabinets and he goes out into the political world and this perhaps to face prosecution, or if he continues to 5 and,

and seek the of, of the international community. well, for now that's what he's chasing, and rough i'm afraid is guessing. now as well as the rest of the causes and tape of the front. yeah, tell us indians in guys a paying the ultimate price start off today is we have seen no human rights which is said with each die that is riley with our he's blocked live saving. i will palestinians are risk time. it really is at the heart of this issue, isn't it? absolutely, and you know, to add to the, we have to remember that the 1400000 people in rough right now have been in, during war malnutrition trauma for 7 months. so there are ready spent there already, fatigue. there's nothing left to give. there's nothing left to kind of, you know, draw strength from. as these people are expelled once again and uprooted once again . and they have to find another space where they can be in a tent and to be once again,

even more vulnerable and more exposed than with less aid. then what then whatever was available to 3 days ago. so, you know, the dangers that we saw in the past are one thing, but what we have right now is a situation where people who have already been stretched to their limits are in, during what no one can and with less than what was available, just a few months ago, there are no hospitals in find units right now where people are being pushed because those hospitals have been destroyed during the ground invasion of that, of that town. there is no infrastructure it is, you know, some, some repair work has been done, but nothing to kind of deal with the influx of people that we're going to see. you know, 10 not, not enough tons available, just commuting from ref. i define eunice will require more money, then almost everybody in the house. so it is

a nightmare on all levels. and with no aid, it just, you know, you've got all the elements of a perfect storm and date. ha l correspondent, who's in the obama, who had been in profit who's, who's moved. he said that exhaustion and panic defined what these families are experiencing, being displaced to get again some for the 5th or the 6th time. 100000 people. uh, the arrow on the nose, but there really is no way for them to go is there, there is no side zone in gaza anymore. no matter was is rarely, mercury for, for them to go. those are not my words. um, those are the words of representatives from a number of 8 organizations. the un there is not safe, so are all fast. what's supposed to be the safe? so my other areas in the south incentive guys were the claim to be safe zones. and at every, at every juncture where a particular area was defined as a safe zone,

you saw within 24 hours or less, those areas being targeted by id f bombs or messiahs, or, you know, other weaponry and artillery. so there is no safe zone. and in that off, in, in gods as a whole, the entirety of the gaza strip unfortunately is not somewhere that we can consider to be safe. so there is no particular area that can be considered safe farms, right? the fire and there was no, uh, there is not sufficient the infrastructure to care for those who are at this place when they get to any of these areas and the 1st place. well, one of the suggestion was, let's see, which is you know, small area on the coast, which is, which is on sun. i mean, this isn't the place where people can actually live for any period of time, but there wasn't any em restructured there anyway. so people who are being told go there and you're safe. um, it wasn't safe. and then on top of that, it also was

a livable anyway. so unfortunately, um, this has been a recurring issue for the past 7 months, where the people of guys that are told go this way and go that way. but even the routes that they are told to go through the roads, they're ordered to walk on or drive through. they're not safe either. and i think that we're just going to see that unfortunately become worse and worse. yeah . as we mentioned at the beginning of this program, displacing civilians amounts to a war crime under international law. selman cuts as also co agents international action. who specifically has to step up here and try at the very least to do something about this is, does it? it will come down to the united states. well, for sure, it is definitely the onus is on the united states president biden. so that's why i think he's put his, his best administration official. best to build

a fence into these talks is a serious. he's a serious diplomat, and i know he's probably doing his best, but more than that. but i think this has to be accompanied by a series of international messages led by the united states, which show the means that we have to start looking at the supply of weapons offensive weapons. and i note that the secretary blinking has not received the report or is it data not yet when it comes to whether human rights introduction not terry law is being violated in this, from his state, the state department. we need that to come off as quickly as possible. we understand that some bones are being held back. it is a very small gesture, if that's the case. and then you need countries like the united kingdom and france, those on the security council, as well as a european union to clearly signal that they will be consequences. and that must be

no shilling for those who must face international law. that includes the dissipated indictments and international criminal court within these days, riley establishment as well as of course, speaking much more openly about the violations themselves on the i c k as it relates. so there is, there is a host of things which now has to, to, to be followed through, you know, just on that honestly, job role in human rights. what you said, as well as contributing to international court of justice, is legally binding orders by obstructing the entry of live saving items services into gaza by taking control of the roof of crossing. i mean, this is clearly hasn't deterred is riley at this point in time. what will, if anything, and what consequences do you expect them to face? you know, my expectations of consequences are regrettably low, but i think in order for israel to change gear, countries need to,

especially in europe, need to reexamine and re aligned the rhetoric with their actions. and up the moment, the gap between, you know, a you a policies as they are expressed verbally in your policies as they're practiced, when it comes to palestine. and israel is huge, almost insurmountable. and i think joseph beretta, you know, their chief diploma has spoken about that at length. but he seems to be the only, you know, the voice of the desert them this point. europe can yield a lot of influence, but it has to divide that pressure not to to yield it, not just starting on israel, but also on the united states because the biden administration, so far as showing us that it will continue to push those red lines until they mean nothing, continue to find a way to continue to, to give nothing. yeah. how i way out and they need to feel that it will become

increasingly difficult for them to have allies standing with them on what is real is doing in gaza. and i think that could potentially help biden make right decisions because of the moment he's defying the base of his party. is the finding the voters these defying his public opinion of our governments in, in your up and in the okay. yeah, i want to talk about agents now because obviously the roof of crossing is disagreements between many people. but egypt is involved in each and every one of them. i'd say we saw a video that was filmed by as rarely sold just basically showing tanks, driving around the border crossing after they took control. no king of a assign with guys are on it and waving very launches riley flags. how much of a publication is that towards egypt? do you think? so i'll answer your question. but before i do, just to emphasize this point about leverage and the changing of israel's behavior.

do united states is the most crucial actor and disregard by far? the european union is splits on this. there's been some very good statements from different members, states, ireland, spain, belgium, and of course just a bureau as you're just mentioned. but israel will not pay attention unless pressure comes from the united states. that has be no pressure. there's been rhetoric, there's been ruptured for the past 7 months, with the exception of very few things over the last few days. but otherwise, it's been the rhetoric that's been pressure, and that means that there's a responsibility on particularly united kingdom and france as i mentioned, but to put pressure on the united states. and to make it clear that as american allies, they seem is very differently. pushing very differently and unfortunately that hasn't really taken place, particularly them, but also empowers and we will not see any changes really behavior unless it comes

uh from the united states in terms of actual pressure and leverage. i'm not with regards to your question. um, of course uh the junction is a very concerned when it comes to not just the publications, but also the mere presence of the id f, especially with that sort of weapon we and also to read in the philadelphia car there in the south. so close to the border um it's uh uh i'm not sure if the, the. busy vacation was aimed at the egyptians or more of how most of the people of it off off. but doesn't really matter. you, you have is really tanks, literally going up and down the border. and this has been something that the conditions of being expressing publicly great opposition just of the very notion of the past 7 months. but having said that, again, this is down to external powers that do have leverage over is rid of not actually

putting their money with their mouse or uh, we had suggestions early on in the few weeks right after october, the 7th, the policy and the ends in gaza could quote unquote, temporarily. busy assign night and it was only after car express such but had not the opposition to the idea of this quote unquote voluntary estimate cleansing. but the idea was dropped as a subject of discussion by western powers. but this has continued within israel. it is continued within the cabinet. it has continued to it then not just the far right of israeli politics, but the center of the center, right? of israeli politics. that's what we're looking at right now. and i think the, everybody is concerned on the egyptian side as the as re, these are thinking, well maybe maybe it's time we could do it. someone just on that point. and as i

tell you, was talking about the, the addictions have been vehemently opposed to living palestinians being forcibly displaced into this. and i happened in july. but if this operation does expand in rough, uh how will a possibility is that happening and what do you think egypt would be forced to do is just office a file i have as we stand today? i think there is a possibility that can happen, and of course is ro has to, sorry, agent has to respond in the stock this way. it has to signal that it cannot be business as usual with israel anymore. it has to signal as it has. i think of blakely already, but regards to its own face agreement. and of course, that's put jordan in the mix here as well. this is the other countries that you're doing and foreign ministers also being very outspoken and disregard. these are the 2 countries which have long standing peace agreements with this row, and those will have to be, i would have thought looked at there's also responsibility for some of the other

arab states, including the abraham acord countries. i know that the united arab emirates has produced a very strong statement, as well as has side the regular, which of course it's key, but not a member of the abraham of codes. and so this arab pressure has to be brought to their lead by egypt and jordan. and in my view as well, especially because it affects egypt so openly and it would be an absolute disaster for them. but i fear that even this is not going to be enough. i think ition is absolutely right. and that without the united states taking a very strong position now and it can, we are, we are in real danger of this rolling into, into the sign. i know, do you think that is where alexi wants to hold the roof or crossing long,

tim and what are the consequences if it does, i think is real. does want to hold the crossing long term and i think it's become very clear that the long term plan for guys as far as nothing yahoo is concerned in his coalition. our concern is to stay in garza and to continue occupying it. and there will always be unexcused put forward and, and perhaps endorsed by the americans about this. but, you know, even if you go back to the beginning of the year, the occupation of the west bank and gaza in $67.00, it was set to be temporary. and then you have supplements, and then all of a sudden you have to have the army there to protect the supplements which are a work crime. and then there was another thing introduced about, you know, the, the lines being to them and an arrow of countries being to, to close by and say,

we can't have a palestinian state, and so on and so forth. there was always a way that is real advantage says it's of gender a for a minute, occupation for a minute, colonization and permanent that you know, control over the palestinians, not just their political rights and their right to be in a country of their own. but how they live, and in what way they can enjoy that life or not. i mean, gaza that has always taken on an extreme dimension, keeping control of it off last means that israel will decide who can stay, who can leave, how long would it take? when that a crossing would be operation no long before long after the war is done. i lived in garza for many years and it was a nightmare. i'm just thinking about whether the crossing is open or not, and how you can apply and travels and whether you can, having commitments and so on and so forth. that having that control,

that sort of control over are you changes the way you think about your life and changes the way society thinks about it's verizon and then it's the opportunities available to it that it's just one more way to, to, to keep the books. if you will, and they're not. thank you so much. we will have to leave it there, but we really do appreciate all of your time and your insight into the salma. no, and i change, we really do appreciate that. thank you. thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting a website. that's l, just air adults. com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x out handle is at a inside story. from may till mccrae and the whole team here, bye for now. the

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