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>> i've run next announcement, he says a worm, a part of his brain causing memory loss i talk to the man who runs one of the world's largest parasite collections about this bizarre but compelling story. let's go out front and good evening and welcome to a special edition of outfront. i'm erin burnett tonight live from milwaukee with an exclusive interview with the president of the united states. in an extensive one-on-one, we talked about the war in gaza. and for the first time in his most uncertain terms the president of the united states lays out conditions on american aid to

israel, connecting it directly to what is happening in rafah right now. we also talked about his rematch with trump, biden telling me, quote, i promise you he won't. when he talks about trump accepting the outcome of the upcoming election and we talked about the number one issue for voters, and that is the economy. it's why we're here in milwaukee, the must-win state of wisconsin and president biden today announcing microsoft's 3.3 billion dollar plan to build a new ai data center here it's 100,000 potential new jobs, jobs, the biden administration wants to tout on the exact same land. where trump weighed one of his biggest jobs, announcements of his presidency. those jobs did not pan out and now biden tonight is saying he can do what trump failed to do here's our exclusive interview with the president of the united states mr. president. thank you so much for being with me. >> so trump attended a groundbreaking here where we are for foxconn he promised

13,000 jobs and only about 1,000 of those actually exist right now. so i know you're promising more than 2000 union construction jobs and that 100,000 people are going to get trained in ai here why should people here believe that you will succeed at creating jobs where trump failed? >> he's never succeeded in creating jobs. and i've never fail i've created over 15 million jobs. this is a president 15 million and three quarters years. is serious play and they're very much engaged and making sure they pick this area as sort of a the home-base for their ai initiative in the nation and they're gonna, they're gonna do it and it's just like, by the way, well, i shouldn't go and open it trump has he started off with the golden shower shovels the

groundbreaking and talked about this been you know, the eighth wonder in the world why does he ever done anything he said i'm not being facetious. think about it. >> he started off, he lost the other than herbert hoover is the only other president lost more jobs and created. and as four-year term he's the way he managed and his last year when we deal with covid, million people die. he told inject bleach that may, that may do it. wasn't a real problem when he did an interview one of your colleagues or you just flat out acknowledged he knew how dangerous yb and want to speak to it it's i just look at what he says. he's going to do if he gets elected. he says gonna do away with what i've done on medicare, reducing the price of medicare drastically said he's gonna do away with affordable care act says you going to do just down the line so we have a

very different view. i look at it from physician, not being facetious, from the scram perspective, he looks for mar-a-lago perspective he wants to give more significant tax cuts in the super wealthy now we've got 1,000 billionaires. america, you know what the average federal taxes, 8.3% it talks about if i want to raise it to 25%, that would raise i would raise $40 billion for $400 billion over ten years i can further reduce deaths in which i've been able to reduce me. it's just a completely different perspective on how we should proceed when it comes though when are they actually going to have jobs as 100,000 people that are being trained beginning probably the first trash, three to four years of community colleges are going to the one where we're at, we're going to provide four 2000

folks and to be able to be trained 200 a year. >> and it's going to go that poll pipeline, goes all the way throughout to high schools and training facilities used to be that when when i was in high school i mean, even at the tail end, very tail end before you in school, we most public high schools had shopping, home my work with your hand doesn't exist anymore. and so it allows people who have skills and be able to train to technical skills to be able to make a decent living without a college degree and it's what we need. >> so when we talk about the bet on ai and sort of what it means, i don't know if you saw this weekend, warren buffett had his annual meeting and he talked about ai, the first he said was, okay, it's got an enormous potential for but then he likened it to the

development of nuclear weapons in the u.s. and he said it's scares the hell out of him you know, he always says like he sees it. and then he says, quote, he doesn't understand a thing about it. that may capture how many americans feel. >> does ai scare you i had enormous potential, enormous downside potential that's why three years ago i got together the major architects of ai did different operations around the world. >> i met with them in europe and here in the united states and the range is all the way from one of the leaders saying is real, it's going to take over human thinking all the way to phones to say no, it's not a problem. and so that's why i set out certain standards that it has it can do no harm. we have to make sure we know how to do that we have to make sure it's controlled. and that's how that's how we how it is most significant. i think

technological development in human history the most significant human history, yeah, and not in terms of war and peace, but in terms of being able to one liter of the ai community said to me it's going to overtake human thinking and which is frightening, terrifying but the other most think it can be used very name from find cures for cancer to significantly increased productivity so when you talk, about the economy, of course it is by far the most important issue for voters. it's also true right now, mr. president, that voters by a wide margin, trust trump more on the economy. they say that in polls and part of the reason for that may be the numbers and you're aware of many of these, of course, the cost of buying a home in the united states is double what it was when you look at your monthly costs from before the pandemic, real income, when you account for inflation is actually down since you took office, economic growth last week, far short of expectations, consumer confidence, maybe no surprise.

is near a two-year low with less than six months to go to election day are you worried that you're running out of time to turn that around? >> we've already turned it around. look look at the michigan survey for 65% american people think they're in good shape economically, i think the nation's not a good shape. there, personally, good shape the polling data has been wrong all along. >> you, how many you guys do a poll cnn, how many folks you have to call to get one response? the idea that we're in a situation where things are so bad a folk that we've created more jobs, we've made run a situation where people have access to good paying jobs and the last i saw the combination of the inflation the cost of inflation, all the things that's really worse than two people with good reason that's why i'm working very hard to bring the cost of reynolds down to increase the number of homes that are available let me say it this

way when i started this administration, people were saying are going to be a collapsing the economy. we have the strongest economy in the world me say it again. >> in the world, although gdp last week was far short of expectations, oh, wasn't looked, gdp is still look of the response markets overwhelmingly positive were while millie positive and one of the reasons why people feel good about it, not being as strong as it was before, is they believe that the fed is going to respond. >> they hope they're gonna get a rate cut. >> yeah well, so but i mean no presidents had the run. >> we've had in terms of creating jobs and me down inflation was 9% ordinary people, the idea that you're, your bounce a check and you get $130 fee for boston, the check i chase can't charge more than eight bucks. or your credit card. you don't you're a late

payment. $35. i mean, there's corporate greed going on up there. and it's got to be dealt with. >> what about but there's real pain. i mean grocery prices are up 30% more than 30% since the beginning of the pandemic. and people are spending warren food and groceries than they have at anytime really in the past 30 years. i mean, that's a real day-to-day pain that people know really is and it's real but the fact is that if you take a look at what the men people have, they had the money to spend as angers them and angers me that you have to spend more for example the whole idea of this notion that senator casey talk about shrinkflation yeah, i think you're always on your full price for smaller bottle of juice examples, stickers, bar, they did a thing and it's like 20% less for the same price as corporate greed as corporate greed. >> and we've got to deal with it and that's what i'm working on.

>> i want to ask you about something happening as we sit here and speak and that of course is israeli striking raffa. i know that you have paused mr. president shipments of 2000 pound u.s. bombs to israel due to concern that they could be used in any offensive on raffa. have those bombs that's powerful 2000 pound bombs, been used to kill civilians in gaza civilians have been killed in gaza as a consequences, those bombs and other ways in which they go after population centers. >> i made it clear that if they go into rafah, they haven't gotten rough a yet they go into rafah. i'm not applying the weapons that have been used historically deal with raffa, a deal with the city's, a deal with that problem. we're going to continue to make sure israel are secure in terms of iron dome and their ability to respond to attacks like came out of you the least recently. but it's assists wrong. we're

not gonna we're not gonna supply the weapons and artillery shells use that. >> i've been used shells as well. >> yeah, it's always shelf so just to understand what they're doing right now in raffa, is that not going into rafah as you don't they haven't gotten in the population centers what they did is right on the border and it's causing problems with right now in terms of what egypt, which i've worked very hard to make sure we haven't relationship and help. >> but i've made it clear to bb in the war cabinet. they're not going to get our support. if in fact they go on these population centers were not walking away from israel's security, walking away israel's ability to wage or in those areas. >> so it's not over your red line yet not yet, but it's we've we've held up the weapons we've held up that one shipment as an all shipments

design. >> we hold that up when ask you one more thing. >> if i may. the images that people see out of gaza are horrific the un's talking about some of these mass graves and the summary executions that there has been evidence of torture. the images of children it. breaks anyone's hard to look at it. >> and obviously we've seen that frustration here in the u.s on college campuses. and mr. president signs at college campuses. >> some say genocide, joe any of u.s. have gone to those campuses. sometimes we hear that can do you hear the message of those young americans absolutely. >> i hear the message. look two things first of all there's a legitimate right to free speech and protest there's a legitimate right to do that, right to do that. there's not elysium legitimate right to use hate speech there's not a genomite right to threaten

jewish students. there's not legitimate right to block people access to class. that's against the law. it's against the law so if you look at the data these demonstrations are real, but they're not nearly and everybody is. i made a speech on the holocaust day and i pointed out that, you know it took seven decades to get to the place where after the holocaust occurred.& are still anti-semitism. look what's happened in seven weeks, seven, 70 i mean, what's happening? everybody's sort of forgotten about what happened in israel those 1,200 young kids murdered. i saw pictures now, i went over there swiftly after a mother and daughter being roped together and then kerosene prime burned to death. that's like that to happen. the jewish community since the holocaust so when i, when i went over immediately after that happened

i said the bibi don't make the same mistake. we made dimeric we want to get bin laden and will help you get similar. but we went into afghanistan to we owed made sense to go get but mod made no sense to try and unify afghanistan made no sense in my view, to engage in thinking that in iraq they have a nuclear weapon. don't make the same mistake focus, i will help you focus on getting the bad guys but& we've got to think through what is happening after gaza. after this is over. >> who, who's going to occupy gaza i've been working with arab states and won't match them if they don't want to get them in trouble. >> but five liters in the community we're prepared to help rebuild gaza, prepared to help transition to a two-state solution to govern it? well, to maintain the security and peace while they're working out of

palestinian authority. that's real and not corrupt mr. president. thank you very much. i appreciate your time today thank you next, we have more of our exclusive conversation with the president of the united states. he tells me what advice former president obama is giving him right now on the campaign and you're going to want to hear all of what he had to say about trump right now and you may not accept the outcome of the election. >> i promise you he won't thomas, they won't so which is dangerous plus trump's legal team shifting strategies as stormy daniels is about to return to the stand and just hours we are now learning, they plan to spend a lot more time cross-examining the adult film star. will that backfire on them? >> and rfk jr. sang a worm at eaten part of his brain and then died causing memory loss a

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positive. >> he didn't win a ring oh, my breaking news. >> i promise you he won't. those are the words of president biden telling me in our exclusive interview that he believes trump will not accept the election results here's more of our conversation. >> so obviously we're here in wisconsin. >> it was a crucial state for you. >> one of the ones that put you over the top. it was the same for term when he won in 2016 and he was actually here last week on his day off from the stormy daniels trial, he told the milwaukee journal sentinel, mr. president if everything's honest, i'll gladly accept the results. >> the election, and then he continued though with this. >> if it's not, you have to fight for the right of the country how seriously do you take that threat sure. >> so just like i did september i mean, on january 6, the guy is not a democrat, would have d

he is the idea, luck you can only love your country and when you went number one, how many court cases supreme court cases they all said this is totally legitimate election this is, this is true i mean, it's the same whether he may not accept the outcome of the election i promise you, if you want commissary won't you won't. so i'm which is dangerous look i, travel around the world and other world leaders know what they all say, not a joke 80% of map tribune have a major media ago got to win mike democracy to stay there, democracy to stay because we think of the things he's saying the same if i'm reelected if he's reelected, the president did not. you gotta make sure his attorney general prosecutes those. he tells him the prosecutor& be done on the first not just an auto. he said this about prosecution across

the board. is going to be i am your retribution. what person is ever seen anything like this? >> but he means it going to wipe out the change we made a medicare change, we made in terms of drug prices changed remain, wipe it all out. >> and then he's going to put enough 10% tax, which is going to increase everybody's cost, average cost 1,500 bucks a year this no one is saying. >> so, when you look at your campaign at this moment it's tight. it's a brock obama, your predecessor, of course, he has said that this is an all hands on deck moment that's how we describe it. >> so he believes your rematch with trump is gonna be incredibly close. >> it certainly looks like it will be what's this advice to you when you talked keep doing i'm doing. >> make sure what his advice is i just want to get vice

president well, you've got to organize, blocking tackle people knocking on doors, putting up signs we have over 1.5 million individual contributors when ever happened before 70, 97% less than 200 bucks. >> we've open 100 headquarters across he's open none. >> we have 5,000 page staff were doing a block and tackling. >> we're going out and making sure that we knock on doors. >> it pokes out the old-fashioned way that's basic because it's all hard. >> and we have raised more money than any president has to this point, of the campaign and so i think i'm feeling good about the trajectory of the campaign and, you know, as well as i do most people don't really focus on make up their minds will fall there's a lot going on and we'll see what happens mr. president. thank you very much for your time

thank you and i'll is with me now david, let's just start with we just heard president biden say about trump. >> yeah. he said that i promise you. he thought accept the results of the election. obviously, presumably if he loses, i promise you, and he's dangerous very explicit on that. >> yeah. >> look, i think past is prologue on this, right? i mean with trump, either he wins or the election stolen. there's no possibility of another result, and we saw that evidence itself in the insurrection even when he won in 2000 in in 2016, he put a commission together because he was incensed that he had lost the popular vote by 3 million and suggested that that vote was stolen. they couldn't find any stolen votes than either. but i think i think he's right and i think it is dangerous because the stakes for donald trump now are higher if he loses this flexion, he is still

facing trial i think this is a very very legitimate concern. >> mj, the president, did make major news on israel in several places saying that yes, u.s. bombs have been used to kill civilians and saying that that he's had enough. we are walking away from israel's ability to win page war in these population centers, artillery shells, the offensive weapons. this is new it's new, this is the present particular waiting for the first time what exactly the consequences would be if israel were to cross his red line. >> and remember that red line is if israel actually the goes into rafah, the heavily populated areas of raffa, which so far the us assesses. israel hasn't done yet that is the us policy that we are now hearing straight from the president's mouth and aaron, i was thinking about just the timing of this interview and the fact that you've got to ask him these questions about israel and rafah at this moment. because if you look back on the last

week, u.s. officials and white house officials made really clear that the decision doubly sensitive one, they would not even confirm to reporters about pods had happened, let alone elaborate on the reason. and now i suspect when going forward, white house officials are asked about this, they're going to point to these words from the president as the new u.s policy. >> and jeff, that was a significant move from him to say, i've spoken to bb, i've told the war cabinet essentially enough is enough are the words he said. it is wrong. >> it certainly wasn't. if you look at the trajectory of his remarks since october 7, he's certainly has not moved nearly as much as his progressive base would like him to as he hears the protests on college campuses, he sees the genocide. joe signs as he travels around from event to event. yeah. so he has not done nearly enough to abate the protests, but he has moved considerably from where his history would suggest

that he would have he was locked, armed in arm, a literal hug with with a netanyahu when he was there right after that. so this is different than that. what goes forward i think is the open question. he opened the door today, but i think is very significant. we'll see what happens in the coming days and you shake your head, scott, because those who of course want the full is full throat is well support of which there are many in the democratic party this is not what they wanted to hear, just the other day, he was saying our relationship with israel's ironclad and today, he's essentially throwing up his hands, spooked, i guess by these college protests and saying, well, we're going to not supply weapons because we're going to try to micromanage this. i want to hear the president united states unequivocally state and understand who the enemy and who the real cause of all this is. but he did. >> they're killing civilians using american west uses civilians as human shields. it's hamas, israel, and the united states, are not the problem here. hamas is the problem, and israel cannot have peace and security until hamas

is defeated and he is shag lng our ally by micro managing this and by the way, less bombs means more fighting in the ground. and that means more data is readily soldiers. that's the policy. so let me just say this and i say this as this son of a jewish refugee, i feel very strongly about israel. >> i was devastated by what happened on october 7, that doesn't prevent me from feeling solicitude for starving children of gaza and civilians who are collateral damage. in this war and so i accept the political calculus. i've lived in this world all my life. it's also true that i think the president feels solicitude good for these, these people. i don't think it's just the students protesting. he's been talking about this for months as for standing with israel, he went when the bombs float in from when the drones and missiles flute floated from iran, it was the united states

who shot them down. he has prided most the weaponry that is being used, right now by the israelis. he's and he did as was point as he pointed out, he he he went and yes, he hugged netanyahu& on that very day, he told them, don't make the mistake we made. don't pursue any talked about that today republicans in congress are going to be livid about this issue, right? i think they have a good issue well, i get it. i think they they think that the president of the united states, they're just politicians trying to take it appears that you have a situation. no, i think i think they support our ally and maybe he doesn't they're going to recall a time when we impeached the president united states for withholding military aid authorized by congress from ukraine $400 million. that was the basis of the impeachment. this is congressionally authorized military aid to our ally and he is withholding it for political reasons wade, what second? >> i'm sorry, it's your show. the basis of that impeachment was that the president of the united states called the

president of ukraine, and he's said, i need, i want you to do me a favor and open investigation on the person who i think maybe my opponent in the next election that was the basis that he wants israel to stand down on rafah because his base is mad at them. >> what's i mean, it's a political reasons. scott, the analogy just doesn't hold up. can i mj on this though, is it why he chose to say this? today? it makes such a significant statement. >> what is the motivation for it at this moment? >> first of all, can i say i think i know that one of the big headlines was the news he made about the consequences for israel, the weapons withholding and all of that. i think the moment where sure you asked him i have people in gaza die because of those bonds. those bonds referring to the bonds of the us is applied to israel and the answered, the have been killed in gaza as a consequence of those bonds, i found that woman to be just incredibly start and just a very black and

white acknowledgement from the president on not only american complicity, but the president's complicity. these are his decisions. and by the way, i mean, we're talking about all of the political ramifications on the fallout that complicity is precisely what the people who are protesting are angry about we don't know if those words and those actions will do much to calm the people who are that angry. but i do think the fact that he came out and acknowledge that was really important moment we're here in wisconsin, obviously, because it's a must-win state. >> it was a must-win state, as i said to him, for it for him for trump, the last time around. >> and he chose to come here today to a plant where trump had had that huge announcement with the golden shovel for foxconn, the jobs didn't materialize. >> geoff and now here we are. i'm president biden saying 100,000 people are going to be trained in ai here but on the economy, he was very defensive. >> cities already done already turned it around. there were a

few words in there. he said, we've already turned it around of any words from the interview that could be used in a republican at against him? that is it. every time the president has come to wisconsin issue, this is the fourth visit. he comes with an achievement. this was $3.3 hugely significant. he's done a bridge and superior. he's an lead pipes here in milwaukee had been along on several of these trips. so yes, there's significant achievements, but he also said these jobs won't come for three more years or so. what voters do not see right now is immediate aid. they see the inflation he, the gas prices, but people are split. i was talking to voters here throughout the week and a retired couple adenosine, maureen glenn, said that they do not blame the president for this. they wish younger voters, like some people are family, would tighten their belts by generic foods. so you see an age split here in terms of what the thing is with job creation versus inflation. inflation is a big problem for the president, the white house

knows it. >> i don't understand this. i don't understand all these months later, he went i thought they spent 25 million taken lee last fall touting by mimics and making the same argument that the president it's making here. it is absolutely true the world was plunged into an economic crisis in america was plunged annuity economic crisis by the pandemic. and we've come back faster than almost any other country. and he's right about that, but that's not the way people are experiencing the economy. they're experiencing it through the lens of the cost of living and he is a man who's built his career on empathy, where, where is why not lead with the empathy? and i think he's making a terrible mistake it may not be if he doesn't win this race or may not be donald trump, that pizza, maybe his own pride. >> i mean, he was when when i ask the question going through some of the negative when you said we've already turned it around and i mentioned that trump leads him in terms of voter trust and the economy by

a wide margin, which he does. and every poll he says the polling data has been wrong all along. you guys do a poll it cnn, how many folks do you call the even get one response? >> he was quite defensive about that and he's been defensive about polling in the past, but it's true that you can point to positive data in the economy. but the reality still remains at that hasn't translated into positive economic outlook across the board. but you know, just on the question of, you wonder how much a, an announcement like the one that we saw today actually matters to people. i was at that microsoft event and i was in the bathroom after the president had spoken and this woman walks in and she's by herself and i hear her. she's just like clapping. and she's saying yes, yes, working factories. and she's not talking to anybody. she's like saying this to herself. clearly she is excited and i just think like we shouldn't underestimate that, something like that does mean something to a community, especially like this. they were so let down by the foxconn situation. but i think you've got to sort of how complicated

this is when you ask them about the day-to-day pain that people are feeling because of prices being so high. and his answer was, well, people have more money to spend now and yeah, they're angry, but things cost more and what do you do about that? so it's got there was one other thing that we talked about. i want to play it, but this is just the juxtaposition, right? trump came here last week on his day off from the stormy daniels trial, which is wednesday, he came because of wisconsin must win for him too. but the way they're spending every other day is very different. so i asked president biden whether he's following the trial. here's what he said seven portland a couple days. following that at all not only on the evening news so only on the evening news, i mean, he wouldn't try to disdain and say, i'm not. >> but at night because during the day his days are very different. he's on the campaign trail and i'm saying with other, whereas trump, i mean, when you look at that side-by-side, forget the golden shovel it's very different.

>> yeah. and i had my doubts about whether a conviction or an acquittal or a hung jury here, what have any impact on trump's image, no matter what happens. and so biden says he's following it at night. it's following it more than most americans were following it at all. they are following this conversation about food prices. i agree with aks, i think is economic message to jing is incredibly week. i thought he wind when you correct. change my point of view that no, you can't. and then i thought he want you correctly confronted him with the statistics and the polling any wind out that and then of course we went wobbly on israel i think he is desperate for i think he must be mortified when he looks at poll after poll that says the american people people trust donald trump more on the economy. they trust them to be a strong leader and they believed that the world is in chaos because he's weak and trump is strong, it must be mortifying and he can't find a way out of this cul-de-sac. i will. all of you. thank you so much and so wonderful to all be together here in milwaukee on a beautiful day, but it was not yesterday, but we got gorgeous

spring de here in wisconsin. next, we are learning new details about a significant change in strategy by trump's legal team hours before he is back in that courtroom, they are now planning to spend a lot more time questioning stormy daniel's as the cross-examination continues, we're going to tell you what we're learning tonight about that. and the story everyone's talking about today, rfk claiming that a doctor told them a worm, a part of his brand it can cause memory problems. and tonight, speaking of the political conversation, he's joking, he could eat five more brain worms and still win in a debate the whole myth has to be re-imagined you didn't know whether you were next they were both tied up? >> yeah. yeah. i was called in and i saw what turned out to be the biggest arike heist in history. >> it went from gold medal winning icon to a pariah really

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reputational damage that may have occurred while she was on the stand. because remember, this case does not succeed or fail based on the testimony of stormy daniels, she's a main character in the story. she gave. prosecutors are first-hand account of what was worth 130 $40,000 right after access hollywood tape before the election what exactly happened that trump would want to hide. she also undercut one of the defenses saying that, look, he really wasn't interested in protecting his family, but what they're going to be focused on tomorrow is the fact that you raised the possibility multiple times that this alleged encounter wasn't consent and tool and aaron and they're upset about that because that is not what she has said historically though in her new documentary, she did compare this alleged encounter with trump to an experience she had as a child. she is, of course, a sexual abuse survivor. so this is something they want to focus on. now it keeps saying the case does not succeed or fail on her testimony, but really does appear that it's going to come down to michael cohen so everyone asking how soon could we see him expect stormy

daniels or wrap up tomorrow? we'll hear from at least one other summary witness, someone who just gets evidenced in this week, michael cohen could come as soon as this week, but we will definitely see him next week. and i'm told aaron likely take about three days to get through that critical gold testimony all right. >> paula, thank you very much. and our experts are all with me. ryan goodman, let me start with you. it was very clear in the courtroom yesterday at the end of the day when i was there, that if they just stayed a little longer, they probably would've finished with a cross and then they would have had a redirect. i understand. and are ri cross but now there's this change of strategy that pollen christina reporting on that. this cross-examination is going to be a lot longer& a lot more intense why do you think that could backfire for trump's team? >> so i think it backfires, especially if by going after stormy daniels in order to protect trump's reputation. what they mean by that is the concerns about his reputation publicly, not towards the jurors. so if that's the motivation to extend this and then try to go after a

testimony can backfire in a couple of ways. the first is that it could just mean that she took justifies more and more about the details as to why she now we're saying that she felt uncomfortable in the situation and some of the testimony that she gave is towards the end of the spectrum of nonconsensual sexual encounter. and the more they elicit that that could actually be worse for him for the jurors. and then the other way in which it could backfire is right now, they might act actually having a basis to appeal. they try to even say that there should be a mistrial because of the prejudicial information that came in from stormy daniel's because we're so salacious, et cetera now they will actually be eliciting it potentially. so that also might undermine their ability to use that as a basis to appeal the final judge right so terry, as paula said, trump's lawyers, part of the reason they want to do this is to, they want to ask these extra questions they believe it will help protect trump's reputation in specifically due to this issue that she raised the possibility just a much a much darker tone around the account

encounter that she describes, right. >> in terms of the pressure she fell, but it was not consensual in that in these tones that she added to it. obviously, trump has repeatedly denied any sexual encounter at all. so teri how five align to the defense need to walk with its questioning, right. i mean they don't want to admit it happened it's going to be a very fine line that they have to walk. and i understand that they want to bring his reputation back, but what they should do is ask one question. are you trying to say stormy daniels that you were raped? that's a yes or no move on. then they need to focus just on credibility and bias. and i think necklace has already done that with the beginning of a cross-examinatio n where she said, you hate donald trump, don't two. and she said, yes, i do. you want to see him in jail? don't do. and she said, i just want him to be held accountable. >> so those are the types of questions that i think they should focus on spend as much time doing that as you want. >> but don't deal with what happened in that sexual

encounter because that's just going to go south now stephanie last night, you called it you we were talking you said trump's not going to take what is lawyer said. he's gonna demand that they really go after stormy daniels tomorrow in the cross exam. and now here we are hearing they're gonna do exactly that. how ugly and nasty will tomorrow have to be before he is happy because i'll tell you being in the room yesterday on the cross, it was a pretty nasty cross to start with yeah. >> he's going to he's going to want them. like i said, last night, he's going to want them to just fight for him and in his mind goes low as possible and he doesn't i don't think understand that tomorrow. i think get the lawyers will be performing for him rather than the jury. >> i think as ryan said as well, i think that i think this could backfire in many ways. >> i think that she's probably had been watching news coverage. she's probably been talking to the prosecution in getting prepped. and i don't think she's to me she's just had time to reflect. she's never said that he forced to on

her. she's always said stephanie hard on her. it could backfire. and again, you're am i back i think i think let's try to work on it for a second because i hurt my back but nothing else. >> ryan trump. i want to ask about the gag order because trump obviously has an appeals court now, he's asking them to expedite a ruling on his appeal of the gag order as he continues the rail against it. so he goes on social media today. he says, it's really bad feeling to have your constitutional right to free speech. such a big part of life and our country, so on taken from you, especially when all the sleazebags, low lives, and drifters that you oppose are allowed to say absolutely anything they want it is hard to sit back and listen to lies and false statements be made against you knowing that if you respond, even the most modest fashion, you're told back corrupt and highly conflicted, judge, you'll be put in prison. so okay. he's allowed

to say whatever he wants about the judge. i'm just zoning in here. ryan on sleazebags low lives and drifters that you oppose is that violating the gag order on witnesses i think it is. >> if they da wants to bring that to judge merchan, i think they have a very strong case for it. part of the reason have a very strong case from it is that it's obvious from context who donald trump is talking about if you knew nothing, you would know he's probably talking about stormy daniels testimony and having a just sit back and listen to it. but then if you know about some of the other truth social post that he has put out, including one in which he identifies her as a sleaze bag, who was lying and making misrepresentations. that's one of the prior truth social posts. we actually is quote, tweeting michael avenatti, her lawyer. it's about her and that's one of the truth social posts that justice mission has said violated the gag order. he hold president trump in criminal contempt for the prior one. and the reason he did is he said that these kinds of truth social posts, or denigrating to

witnesses and it's obviously denigrating to cause somebody asleep ball and say that they're lying and misrepresented yeah. >> and it was clear, right. the whole testimony that he called her horse face and asleep and sleaze bag, and that was part of the testimony yesterday. it's definitely in terms of where the gag order itself, prison has been thrown out by the judge, martin horn, former new york city corrections and probation is commissioners, so he knows all about this new about the room said trump would go so to rikers island, the infamous location. if if he goes to jail for violating the gag order in a self-contained cell small space alone secret service would be outside those details have to be known to him at this point, right? stephanie yeah, absolutely. you know, i was thinking about is because if you would've asked me a week or two ago, i would've said absolutely not. there's no way he's trying to get thrown in jail, but he's got to know now what the plan would be from his personal secret service agents. and so yeah the news has been talking about it to that perhaps the judge would give him two or three hours for the

first time. so if i i were him and i know him quite well, he will be okay sitting for two or three hours its own building in all right. >> shot froze again, so thank you all very much. i appreciate your time. and next, rfk jr. says a worm, a part of his brain and cause memory problems. now, he's joking about it, saying you could eat five more and still beat biden and trump in a debate well, part of the reason we're all watching this story is because it's both terrifying and you want to know what would happen. so top parasite expert is unique style cutting-edge innovation, and thoughtful

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so media tonight, quote, i offered he five more brain worms and still be president trump and president biden a debate making light of the whole thing. >> but professor scott gardner runs one of the world's largest parasite collections at the university of nebraska, lincoln. >> and he joins me now because truly professor gardner for this, this is something that has captivated people in disturbing ways. so arche junior says that the worm gotten his brain and ate a portion of it. so as an expert on parasites, does that sound right to you? is this the kind of thing that can happen? >> oh, yes, you can get to have this kind of, these kind of parasites in your brain, but it doesn't really eat the brain basically, it just grows and then move some of the brain out of the way as it's growing. so it's basically a tapeworm larva, probably that got in there when he was on one of his trips to the south south pacific or into asia. and then it was in there for awhile and

apparently from what i've heard is that it's dead now. so then it starts to calcify and kind of goes away. it doesn't really go away, but it just stays there. it's not going anywhere once it starts to calcify so it was there. he says, it's their cassava thing is just deeply disturbing, i think for all of u.s i mean, just to imagine that the times you're times reports, professor, that in this deposition, rfk jr. says, quote, i have cognitive problems clearly, i have short-term memory loss and i have longer-term memory loss that affects me is this something that could happen from parasites like this oh, definitely this kind of a parasite that we think that it is. >> i don't know if they got a species diagnosis on it or not. but this kind of parasite is pretty cool. prominent people around the world where hygiene is not so good. and people eat pig and so pork is a staple and

the basic life cycle goes from human to pig, human de pigs. and we're where people get in there and the problem, sometimes the problem is that sometimes the eggs are ingested accidentally, and then they basically burrow into your intestine and they get distributor distributed around in the blood system and end up in the brain or any other parts of your body. but they really do gravitate for the brain quite a bit. this species okay, so why is that? how does it get from your, i mean, the whole thing is just horrible to contemplate, but how does it get from your intestine into your brain this, was a couple of ways there hasn't happened well, we could go into it quite detailed, but what happens is the egg hatches in the small intestine. >> it goes into the blood system the hepatic portal system goes into your liver if it makes it to the liver, it goes to the heart. but makes it to the heart. it goes to the lungs. if it makes it, it might get stuck i can any of those places if it makes it to the

lungs and it goes back to the heart and it goes out to any part of the body and for some reason, this species generally doesn't generally, but many times ends up in the brain of its host and people have this quite often. and it's called taenia solium. it's the pork tapeworm. very interesting one so as he lucky, is rfk jr. lucky that it didn't do more damage yes. especially since he only had one that means he probably was infected by someone who didn't wash their hands after using the bathroom or something. so there was or perhaps infected salad salad with a the tapeworm egg on it. he probably didn't have the tapeworm actually growing in this intestine the way this parasite work is it uses humans is the main host and pigs as the intermediate host. but if the person if he had this if you'd had a tapeworm in him, he could have been infected from from one of the tapeworm eggs inside him, but more than