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actually a documents case. but tomorrow do not expect the testimony to just let the alleged fake business records do all the talking. eight will still be stormy daniels when the cross-examination picks back up by trump's defense attorney, i'm told you should get ready. we're learning that his legal team is planning for a much longer cross-examination of stormy daniels. >> the question is, why? >> well, a source telling u.s. that trump's lawyers are concerned that her testimony may have i've made a dent, at least in his reputation. they want to protect their reputation and they believed that her insinuation that the encounter that she said was entirely consensual. she seemed to insinuate may have been well something else it's important to note again and again that she said on the stand that she never felt verbally or physically threatened in any way in that lake tahoe hotel room back in 2006. but given trump's claim that they never even had sex and he didn't even know she was and the salaciousness of her testimony,

it's no surprise that he wants to go a little bit further and trying to discredit her entire story here's the thing though. we're in the cat's out of the bag. >> the bell has been rung in the jury. well, they heard what they heard, how they interpret it anyone's guess, including daniels admission that she does not like drum effects. she said she hates trump so it's a delicate balancing act for the defense and frankly for the prosecution. and what does it mean for how both sides question her going forward on cross? and of course, potentially on redirect. and will it impact the way the jury sees with this case really is about the charges 34 of them of falsified business records, not whether or not this alleged affair or encounter actually happened. but what the motivations would have been to potentially falsify records as a result of it and of course, to keep her story out of anyone's conscience, will soon find out won't we now want to bring in michael moore, a cnn legal analyst, also here as brandy harden, a criminal defense lawyer. i'm so glad

that both of you all are here because i had been wondering, start with you brand-new for a second i hadn't sayyed a lot of information came in in the testimony and even the judge said is there a reason that you're not objecting more to the defense counsel? i had to know from you who i've seen in the courtroom. i've seen you object. >> maybe my own case or maybe not on your feet. >> what would you have found so objectionable. and why didn't they do more some of the details we're just unnecessary. there was absolutely no reason to go into some of the things that they had her talk about. and so i would have been objecting way more and i think some of the details this rolled-up magazine spake know some of those kinds of things. i just didn't need to come out. i mean, again, it is a documents case so there's obviously there's a six situation here, but the details just didn't need to come out. i would have had a standing objection. i may have even got caught up making a speaking objection because again, some of that just didn't need to

come out and speak injection with people to know usually would just stand up and you say just objection. and the judge asked to interpret it and if there's need to ask for why they needed the bench. but in front of a jury, they've watched a lot of law and order and television and they believe that someone's going to all the sudden who said who ordered the code red doesn't really happen. but this might have been a moment when you wanted your voice heard, but what's the strategy behind why they want to ask these details to buttress her credibility i think it's probably to shame him as much as anything else to try to get the details out. i think that the defense made a mistake by not making the same objections and the right objections were talking about that by letting some things lie the same time there's a reason, sometimes not to do that. you don't, you know, if you're on your feet all the time objective is something all it does is draw jim to the jury that there's something coming out and use it by the time you object, they've already heard it and so you really have a little bit of a tight rope to walk about the strike that. well, we all know yeah. every

time you say don't hear what you just heard, that's right. i mean, that's like say don't look at, you, didn't say what you just saw him and i said happen i mean, so i think tactically, the prosecutor went too far. i think the judge and the prosecutor go too far to get u.s. some things that just were not relevant. i mean, this is not a sex case. if we were talking about a sexual harassment claim rape click claim, something like that. all this would have been relevant, but we're really talking about a records and where they're not they're categorized & expanses on accounting case where they're not those things are listed under the proper designation. and so this had nothing to do with whether he wore silk pajamas are likely to get spanked by magazine had nothing. they just to do with this. i do. who amanda is? i don't know. maybe i'm at point. do you think it's important? >> why take it further they could if this is the point, right? >> if if what she has to say is irrelevant other than the fact that look doesn't matter if it happened or not, all they had to happen is that trump and his camp had to believe that she would put the allegations out there and they had this nda.

then why as defense counsel, would you try to take another day at cross? >> well, i do think one of the things that you want to deal with is that the prosecution is trying to make it seem like the worst the story the more likely he would be to cover it up. but if you can dispel that it ever really happened and it makes it look like she's just not telling the truth about this. this never even happened. and so why would donald trump be concerned about it so much? so i think it's a good strategy in some ways to make it look like she's just not telling the truth about this at all. and that's why he would not have any interest in covering up anything because it never really happened. >> how about the fact that she said she hates him has that play? i think really it helps her credibility in this way because i think people know she doesn't like him and she had said, no, i don't i don't feel any kind of way one way or the other. >> i think that would have destroyed her credibility. i suspect there was some witness prep around that and they told her, look, however you feel about save that. and so i think it's fine that she says she hates him. she also said she

wants to see him in jail if he's convicted. and so i think there's not that but much of defense lawyers can do with that. >> yeah. >> i've kinda question from the beginning while we've seen lawyers on the jury, that's just not something we usually do at this might well it right and this might be the reason because you know that the did strike the lauren's when they could they do who they were and they could have asked use their peremptory challenge, but, you know, it may be because they knew the lawyers are trained to sort of see through the sideshow of the six and not getting swayed by that. and focus more on what the case really is. >> so speaking of a sideshow in sachs, we've got a georgia that's why i can open the door, doors, boxes open, nobody else may look the door, but right. >> i mean, i will give credit to georgia. >> thank you for having courtroom cameras. so i painted black and more than the sketch artists to really unpack what was going on. but there is some news out of georgia and appeals court is saying that it will hear an appeal from trump that is challenging the ability of fani willis to remain on this

case. but this surprise you, does it? it really does. i mean, i don't know that i've put a lot of stock in, say him you're they're hearing it because they're going to necessarily find that the judge's order was wrong. i just i really think it's more like this is sort of a case of first impression. we frankly don't see prosecutors do in this and certainly not paying 600 and $700,000 while they're in relationship in a case like at this and the disqualificatio n issues unique, the judge, even sort of recognized in his order, there's not a lot of law on this to give on. so it may be that the core appeals are simply going to take it makes some law. so this is how we're going to define now with an prosecutors conflicted out of a case with an ot, there's a disqualification issue that has merit and move forward. >> but at the end of the de i mean, it's a delay in the case. >> i think we all see that. that's a win for the defense because the case is cleaning pushed off. but the truth is, i mean, if we really take the court of appeals out of it, this case was never going to get tried before the election. anyway, sort of this whole idea that the case might be somebody want to try it in august or

whatever that was a pipe dream. >> well, she just said she wanted adel in six months that was never going to happen. but you agree this is by the way, three out of four trials that had been delayed. >> none of these trials are happening except this new york trout known no other case is going to trial before the election. it's just not going to happen. and i think, you know, i'm not so sure that the court won't change their mind because we have these two cases in dc, there was a lower court opinion and they have all gone onto the supreme court. we're not so sure that the ruling won't be changed. so i guess we'll see what happens in georgia, but i'm not so sure them taking it up seems like not the best sayyed for ms willis either, really. >> what do you think that the jury verdict in the manhattan case has any bearing on the progress of the no no, i don't think so at all because i don't i think the florida case, they've already said it's not going to happen. i think judge chutkan, who is amazing. i don't think they're ever going to get that case tried before the election. i mean, again, if if they make a ruling in july, i couldn't be ready by november, september, so i think that the only verdict that we're going to have is this new york well,

we'll say& why, what it will actually be were told maybe a week or two more of the prosecution's case and then we'll see if the defense puts one up, including if donald trump takes the stand, michael moore, brandy harb, both of you. >> thank you so much. up next to cnn exclusive interview with president joe biden, and he is speaking directly to propel palestinian protesters congressman james clyburn is here to weigh in in just a moment. plus rfk jr. says doctors found a dead worm in his brain? yes. i just i that announcement as his campaign announces that they are getting on the ballot. in yet another state listen up america, meet has problems and it's going to take u.s. >> mediators to solve them. so when walt says too much meat is bad and we should eat less of it, we say no world we should eat more because now we can turn plants into burgers and harb dogs even meatballs now, plants could be reached people let's push cholesterol in the face we're solving the leaf

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right to do that in a right to do that. there's not legit legitimate right to use hate speech. there's not a gentleman right to threaten jewish students is not legitimate, right to black people access to class. that's against the law well, joining me now, democratic congressman from south carolina and co-chair of the biden harris 2024 campaign representative at james clyburn, congressman, thank you for joining u.s. >> how are you tonight? >> i'm just fine. thank you very much for having me. >> well, i wanted to join and asked you this question because you had recently said that senator bernie sanders had made a good argument. you said when he suggested that maybe this may be biden's vietnam i do wonder how badly the war in gaza is hurting president biden. and frankly, how might he be able to turn it around well, i associate myself with his sentiments. >> that is senator. the senator

sentiments on that because i've been a part of these first amendment freedoms for long, long time. i started martin and demonstrating as it 12, you i organized as a college student. in fact, the first sit in and arensberg, south carolina, it was one that organized and i was a part of the hospital strike in charleston back in 69. so i know these issues very well and so i also know that when you start a movement like that it gets infiltrated and sometimes people are involved in the movement for their own personal interests and that's what has happened in some of these instances. when students are out demonstrating as they want to. and then others invade the campus who aren't even

students and so that's the kind of thing we have to guard against. and i was around in the 60s mean we lost the efforts because of the vietnam war. when people started slogan airing i will never forget burn baby, burn. that was not what we were out there for we were out there for an effort to make the first amendment of the constitution a viable amendment to make the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments the constitution real for people, we were not there that burned down anything. we were out there to build up america congressman, i want to turn to the issues that are really the impetus for the protests more broadly. >> and that's what is happening in between israel. and of course, gaza one of the things that president biden said to my colleague, erin burnett is that if the idf goes

into rafah, which is this crossing where most of the aid frankly is supposed to be coming through that he would no longer supply certain weapons. do you stand by that decision? >> absolutely. the president made it very clear there was a red line on this invasion. he also made it very clear that he is doing everything he possibly can and he supports the efferent limitation over two state solution and he said he will defend israel's right to defend itself. but we're not going to fund an offensive invasion that will expand this effort. and so i think that what president biden is doing and saying at the moment is absolutely the right thing to do and say. and that is we will defend the people of israel in their attempts to defend themselves but we're not going to carry out the wishes of

netanyahu, who seems not to be in favor of a two-state solution. and the things that he seemed to be doing will not support that effort you know, there is of course commencement season that is happening right now. we've been talking a lot about the college protests and you yourself were an educator, president biden has been invited to speak at the procedures morehouse college that is drawing a lot of backlash from some students and faculty, a graduating senior are saying don't try to use u.s. for political clout. we are not pond, we do not wish to be a part of your campaign. now, i do wonder, do you think that the president, having been invited, having committed to give the commencement address? should he somehow be reconsidering withdrawing from the commencement well, i would say to that student that made

that comment the president did not invite himself to the college he was invited to give a commencement address i'm going to be at the campus of south carolina state on friday for the its commencement. >> i was invited to be there i was at denmark tech two weeks ago responded to the invitation so the person is not going down there to run a campaign. he's going down there to address the students, to congratulate those who have made this as inefficient milestone thank their parents and guardians since and the school forgetting them thus far. and to lay out a vision for the future of this country. he is not there as a part of the conflict in the middle east, but simply to do as president, to do ten commencement and ofir, as much encouragement as he can to

students. and that's all the prison is going to be doing their& i would hope he can do that in a peaceful way so he's not there to further a campaign i think part of the reason that student made that comment is because as you know, there's polling to suggest that there are, as there always are key demographic and voters, not that there is any one monolith among the groups, but somehow this would be an intentional act to try to address black men specifically. >> but you don't think that has been the calculation for why he has chosen to accept the invitation well, i don't think that's the calculation that all but i think there's a good thing to do if black men seem to be wavering in there port of his vision layout division for them so that they will be able to make up their own minds rather than the stuff that may be getting off of the internet. >> and these other social media

tropes that are out there lay out his vision they would seem to me that the students who won a year and then let the mic up their own minds. he will not be doing anything nefarious about that that's what presidents do. that's what commencement speakers do. >> you just described democracy i can make laying out the vision and voters make up their own minds. congressman james clyburn, thank you so much for joining u.s. >> thank you very much for having me still ahead. >> did a parasitic worm eat part of rfk juniors brain? well, that's what he's claiming. >> we've got a doctor here to discuss next you let me just say i love planet fitness trying. >> to apply it if it isn't dang, they got lots of equipment. not me getting a planet fitness membership just for the 24 hour per listen, pf

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recovered. >> and the frightening story coming as rfk's campaign draws more focus as he vows to get on the presidential ballot, nearly every state his campaign saying today, they have collected enough signatures to qualify for the ballot in ohio, and he used the parasite story to challenge the presidential candidates to a debate. posting this on x quote, i offer to eat five more brain worms and still beat president trump and president biden in a debate. but i want to bring into the medical analysts, dr. jonathan reiner. thank you so much for being here. as many people looking at this as you've said, this wasn't on the bingo card or anyone thinking about this and you have not treated rfk jr. but i mean, how common would something like this be to have this happen? >> well, if you grew up or lived in latin america, southeast asia, or sub-saharan africa. this is a pretty common thing to encounter it's what it is basically an infection

caused by ingesting, eating, or drinking the water and of that's been contaminated with the eggs of the tapeworm that comes from eating raw or undercooked pork so it's largely a preventable disease in places that practice good hygiene and i would go not to the summit. they would go to the brain potentially. >> well, it can go to any tissue and it's called cysticercosis. >> when it involves the brain is called neurocysticercosis. >> and basically the affected person ingests eggs the eggs hatch in the intestines and they release the immature forms of the parasite, which are called larvae. larvae are really small and they can travel in the blood. and because they can travel in the blood, they can travel anywhere in the body and if they go to the brain, they can create these cysts in the brain, which it sounds like his doctors

found about ten years ago when they were concerned, he might have had a brain tumor. the cat scan appearance of these parasites can mimic that of a brain tumor. >> well, he's claiming that it may have gotten some eight and a portion of it. and then the bhoram died. is that no, not really. the worms don't eat, eat your brain what it basically does. >> i'm sorry, you had to make that statement just now on television, the worms don't your brain is probably a zombie apocalypse is happening right now, but in a week of graphic revelations on television, maybe we didn't need to hear this or that but the the parasites when they basically embed in the brain, create an inflammatory response that can be very destructive. >> people often present with seizures. in fact, it's the most common cause of acquired congenital seizures, can cause bad headaches no memory loss and some people can even, even die from this. it's very rare in the united states. there are

only about 1,000 or 2000 cases of this every year in the united states. but i was talking to one of my fellows at work today. and she is from honduras and she says, oh, no, we see this all the time. >> well, i mean, it's very scary to think about just the prospect of it. but also, he also said in that discussion that he was hospitalized four times for atrial fibrillation and irregular heart rhythm, but he hasn't had an episode in a decade and believes that disappeared. is that how that works? >> no, it doesn't it doesn't disappear. he's probably on medication to control it but his revelations of a fib four decades since he was a young man, hepatitis c from sharing needles when he was a heroin user. and now this crazy brain parasite really just go to show, you really can't judge a book by its cover. he's 70 years old. he has significant medical what problems. >> and despite his attempt to look virile from his youtube video from doing push-ups and lifting weights on venice

beach. >> he's a 70-year-old with afib & former and treated hepatitis c. so he has his own medical problems other candidates have released their medical records as well. the president has. >> unfortunately, we know very little about the health of donald trump. >> his physician few months ago, released the letter basically that was just three paragraphs long that basically said he's fine. nothing to see here. is very important for voters to understand a given all the age issues and beyond, but just more broadly about the overall health of a candidate to see what they're health is like. do you support this tension though, between the privacy and individual person and the right of electric denial i don't think when you're running for president, you really have the right to privacy as it pertains to your medical history. it's amazing to me that in the united kingdom, the health of their royalty is completely kept

private. they announced that the king has cancer. they don't tell the public what kind of cancer but in the united states, in this democracy, when we're looking to elect a candidate, we need to know that they're their health will allow them to fulfill the requirements of their job and i completely support a full disclosure from all three of the campaigns about the health of the candidate. we know nothing about donald trump. we know the least about donald trump. you don't know what medication to takes. we don't know anything about his medical history other than his doctrine new jersey basically just blanket saying he's fine really important points to consider as to what the transparency on a look like. thank you so much, dr. reiner for being with u.s. today. and what with the rfk campaign claiming now enough signatures to qualify for the ballot and ohio she president biden, be worried, how about former president trump? will talk about it next this looks

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politically speaking, is what his campaign is achieving. we will have ballot access and every by the end of july well, cnn's eva mckend reporting tonight and it's great reporting that the independent presidential candidate has picked up incremental wins, making it officially on the ballot. >> and now five states and that's not all the campaign says they have enough signatures to put him on the ballot in a growing number of key battleground states. i want to bring in former senior advisor for the biden 2020 campaign, a lengthy johnson also cnn contributor and former deputy chief of staff for hud, under the trump administration. sure. michael singleton. so obviously, if we're talking about the worm but he's aging his way into a lot of racists here. lindsey, and he's right, are there but he couldn't actually mean you can't ignore him at this point, right? i mean, he is somebody that people are looking at, but they keep saying it will affect biden. do you believe that lesson it's actually very

interesting. >> there are polls that actually say he hurts trump more than one hurts biden. and there are folks who want to leave the republican party and don't want to necessarily go to president biden. they are looking at rfk i do believe that biden supporters and independence and people who would be persuaded to be democrats fine rfk a little bit too far out there. so i'm not gonna say it's not a concern. right. any third party challenger is going to be a concern and these battleground states. >> but i don't think it's going to the same type of concern as the jilan stein. >> however, we will learn from those mistakes, right? we won't take for grants at the voters who were undecided. what was stuff that time between now and november, do you see him as a wildcard as well? that would hurt me. >> you have rfk jr. jill stein is running again dr. cornell west. i'm not convinced that more republicans would vote for rfk jr. trump's voters are going to it'd be reliably in his corner the more moderate leaning ours would probably vote for biden over rfk. i mean, these are usually astute, well-educated people. they're

not going to him. so i would presume that more than likely it's going to be some younger male voters who probably lean towards the left, center-left, if you will, that will vote for rfk well there's a new quinnipiac university poll of wisconsin voters, or as they say wisconsin and wisconsin, they show biden six points ahead of trump, notably, they had the margins are shrinking drastically when rfk jr. jill stein and cornell west are all factored and rfk jr. has sizable support compared to the others. it's still unclear though, of who he would draw more support from because given that public is a little bit word listen, i think republicans should be absolutely worried. i think both parties should be concerned and this is when you have to get there and talk to the base about the issues that they care about the most& show where your positions are. i think it's i think these are indicators for u.s. to go into november. we are what, seven months that's six, seven months out. we're talking about this every single day, voters aren't paying as much attention. they will closer. and hopefully this gives

information to the campaigns to figure out where do we need to move the needle and who are the voters that we need to really talk to it though? i mean, we really are six months away election day, i think one day less than six months, frankly, on that very point, biden's out there. >> he's campaigning in wisconsin. trump, not campaigning is much. he said he was concerned about not being able to campaign with the trial. but today's not campaigning on a wednesday is biden running out of time now, i'm in six months is not a long time. >> joe biden well, you're not by the tone of the interview. >> what erin burnett& it was a born interview. i mean, it barnett and all you have them. she brings know aaron was great. it was joe biden that was just not interesting. >> aaron. aaron asked very very piercing questions and a couple of times i had to make sure the president was still awake. >> just be an autism when people see joe biden, they don't see someone who's who comes to it with vigor in terms

of addressing their problems, they don't see someone who they believe can deliver for another four years here's i mean, this isn't just my opinion. these are the things that regular everyday americans or sand about the president and his real, let campaign is to figure out a way to reconnect with many people who don't think joe biden has any fuel left, in his tank to continue on? >> well, i do wonder what were you make a bad because there are those who came after the last election and biden victory and suggested that they were exhausted by the level of excitement that trump brought luck, i think with joe biden were saying this, we're having this conversation, but joe biden is actually on the campaign trail. >> he's on the trail of trump's trial when we're trying to actually had near people who bought his nf ties tonight. that's where he started. that's what i do. >> lesson as people, i have been out there and i've seen when people are engaging with president biden understanding the achievements and he's gone through his record he knows how to govern and people appreciate that steady hand. >> and at some point, we're going to have to move away from the personalities and

understand who is it, who is it that we want to govern for the next? >> but what do they appreciated though? i mean, is a painful ratings on all that great. he's having to support among very keep doing better now and about him. he's doing. >> so. >> it's arguably a statistical tie between joe biden and donald trump and considering everything that donald trump was going through miu would think there is no way in the world this guy would be in a tie with the stable hand. >> well, you know, was always true. statistics never lie yeah, that's a fact i'm being sarcastic. i hope you got that by just that you're lmp a giant. >> thank you so much. >> up next how the cast is getting back together and guess who's here? jasmine guy? >> tell u.s. why and relive the show's best moments away and it's just locally wouldn't husband from this day to happen? ritual baby, please she

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the end of the week can you can add your name to distinguish list of my years, judges, doctors entertainer, all the women in her family you'd be pledging under me the new dane of pledges to be sisters for those of you who don't know that's from a different world to aired from 1987 to 1993 of the spin off of the cosby show. >> one of my absolute favorite shows a different world to show focus on the lives of students at hillman college of fictional historically black college in virginia. >> and now shockingly, a little more than 30 years after the show ended the cast is getting back together. >> they're doing a ten city tour of hbcus. their goal to help inspire the next generation to enroll in hbcus. and you can bet they're the

right bugs for the job because during the years of show was on hbcu enrollment when up about 19%. here to talk with me about the tour the star of a different world i of course loved treads, whitley gilbert, but the one and only jasmine guys so nice to see you. how are you laura is so good. see you. i watched you office i okay. my heart just flutter because i grew up watching a different world. all of my sisters and i we would watch it. we all wanted to go to hillman at that point. any friends? one of the kidney in hardest and glas says he wanted all of it. we were all all and so nice to talk to you. and you kicked off this tore at the end of february great. so what is it been like to reunite with the cast and spread the word about hbcus again. >> well, let's always wonderful when we're all together and the special thing about this tour going to historically black colleges and universities for those in the

country that doesn't know what hbcu stands for we are reunited& seven of u.s. on this tour. so we're having a ball towns like it so much if i may, i remember watching the show and obviously we know that hillman was a fiction law school, but the show premiered 37 years ago. and hbcus, very real, and you tackled major topics that weren't being discussed really on national television at the time. >> i'm talking about classism and race cism, the aids epidemic, sexual assault. i mean, let's just watch one scene in particular it was written on the car was ni maybe whoever sprayed it was spelling nice as in have a nice day you, know i'm about, ready to slap dead stupid smile off your face dirt is again, the violence you think you can get all ban anybody by. anyway? no, not me. and not today. who are you? let's just sit. he's no. been no. i. am an educated black

men. your worst nightmare. talk. >> i remember that episode and i can i mean, when you said wow, can you imagine thinking about all the topics you covered then do you remember that episode and what it meant? >> oh, i definitely remember that episode and it is kadima and darryl's favorite episode really, of this six seasons that we did because we were challenged in a way on a sitcom to deal with very heavy issues, which i think is the blessing of the show is that debbie allen and susan fails hill made sure that we were still topical, that we were young people on a college campus. and that's what young people are due. do they address issues? but the dance to also make it humorous, was always lurking in the midst of the age show when

the riot episode, the la riot episode was another heavy one. and when i say heavy, i mean these are particular episodes that we have to go to nbc and get their blessing on real? yes. they they really love that. we were funny and gifted and talented and all that, but they didn't necessarily always want to do heavy shows like the aides episode starring tisha campbell and will be goldberg how did you convince them? >> but the moment was then and really in so many ways still now well, i think i'm debbie allen had the most to fight with armed with having graduated from howard university armed with her background on fame. >> and understanding how young

people need to see the things on television that they care about. that's affecting them the divestment episode, with south africa directly affected the kimberly reaves character played by chanel brown because her scholarship was given by this fictitious soda company. and we were trying to get them to divest from south africa. now of course, whitley stance was that we don't lose your scholarship over over that. >> and kim says well, what about all the people in south africa and whitley says, i don't even know them why would i care about yeah. >> i had i had the opportunity to say all the wrong thing,

like laughing because how much do i love that you went right into character and it just took me back. i may have been seven years old, $12 ever how old i was the time before i let you go, i know. i mean, you in the cast were recently at the white house and a few weeks president biden's going to be delivering their there's cringe and peer out. we'll go down the line. i love and thing everyone there delivered a commencement speech, of course, at morehouse collagen. there are some students and faculty that want the school to risks him the invite due to the response, the war in gaza you're topics in your show focus in many ways on the poor of students harnessing thing and having their voice what is your message to students who are considering protesting and finding their voices that way well, i know i grew up in the 60s and 70s and i saw student protests all the time on the news. >> and i just hope that we don't totally shut down

listening to all sides of a story and just focusing or dictating who the students can listen to and not listen to i rather, my kid go to a school and here i diverse opinion and be able to make her own judgment from that then two these censored in some way, from being able to hear other people's point of view. >> well jasmine guy, it may have been a different world, but i'm certainly glad you're in it. what a pleasure to talk to you, jasmine guy. >> thank you, laura. >> thank you. >> and hey, everyone. thank you so much for watching. our coverage continues stan, adult film star stormy daniel's revealed salacious details about the former president during her first day on the witness stand what can we

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