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of his brain was eaten by a worm? yes, this is a real story this morning all right. >> 6:00 a.m. here in washington, here is a live look at new york city where stormy daniels will be back on the stand today. morning, everyone, i'm casey haunts. it's wonderful to have you with us. donald trump's hush money trial resumes in just a few hours with stormy daniels back on the stand. a source telling cnn the trump's lawyers are planning a longer and more forceful cross-examination to help protect trump's reputation. after daniels raise the possibility their alleged sexual encounter in 2006 wasn't entirely consensual. are brynn is outside the courthouse in lower manhattan this morning with the latest brynn, what? do you expect today yeah. >> listen, casey, this is why

the defense attorneys asked for the strouhal to be over with, asking the judge basically to rule because of what stormy daniels was testifying to. of course, that was denied but we know that the defense attorneys were about 90 minutes into their cross it's examination on tuesday when we last had cte and they still had more to go. they weren't expecting to have a long cross-examination, but like you just said, after her testimony on direct and basically they said that's going to take a little bit wild longer because they want to restore the president, former presidents credibility. they want to who makes sure they address the fact that they believed stormy daniels was insinuating to jurors that this was not a consensual relationship. so there's a little bit more to go with stormy daniels on the stand. and of course, after the defense is done, then we're going to see redirect from the prosecutor's. now listen while she was on the stand, you know, there were some really bombshell moments, really people were taken aback by everything that she was saying. she was feisty when the defense

was starting to question her with a break in the core, let's see how she is on the stand today. does she seem more composed? is the president more in tune into what she is saying as he was seeing sort of keeping his eyes closed as we have seen him in the past with other with other witnesses so yeah, that's what we're expecting today and, you know, we don't know if she'll finish on the stand today. it could be a long de of testimony from her again, and it's unclear who again is up next. but certainly we are waiting waiting here to see all right. brynn gingras up for us. thank you very much for that. are at our panels here. federal prosecutor elliot williams, my ball senior political correspondent, the wall street journal, former trump administration official. sure. michael singleton and meghan hayes, former special assistant to president trump so let's just take a minute to recap where are we? we're president biden, excuse me. lift to recap where we were in this trial what we heard from

stormy daniels. there's no cameras in court. of course. but it's the retelling of an incident that daniels disclosed to anderson cooper in a 2018 interview? >> it started off all about him just talking about himself and he's like, have you seen my new magazine? >> he was showing you his own picture on the cover, right and so it's like this. does this normally work for you and he looked very is taken take it back like he didn't really understand. >> i was saying i was just talking about yourself normally burke and i was like someone should take that magazine and spank you with it. so he turned around and pulled his pants down a little. now he had underwear on stuff and i just gave him a couple of slots okay. >> so elliot williams, maybe it's a little too early for this couple swats. but what does it not exactly. >> i know but this change in strategy from trump, because what she expanded on from that story that she told anderson back in 2018, was this idea

that she felt threatened, right? >> she acknowledged in the testimony that, yes, it was consensual. she didn't say no. but she talked about how there was this level of fear she talked about blacking out despite a lack of alcohol and drugs. >> and this seems to have motivated the trump team to say, hey, we've got to do something here to defend donald trump's reputation. >> they're going to do a longer cross examination. is that smart? it's risky for them to do it. so the whole point of cross-examination is it always needs to save within the scope of the direct examination. you just attack a witness based don things that you heard in the prior examination. now, usually cross-examinations tend to be shorter than direct examination. you keep it tight. a punchy like you've seen on television yes, no questions, leading questions, and then get out of there. the more you have a witness on the stand, even when you have something like this where there's a contradiction section, you run the risk of number one, opening up something that isn't great for your own sayyed. and number two, and this is far more acute here appearing to boolean badger the witness, and it's

not clear regardless of what we may say watching this from the outside, it's not clear how the jury is reacting to her and an attorney sort of being seen as pushing too hard, fighting too hard with a witness can really backfire. so in many respects, yes, it's probably worth a few questions to clean it up, but then get out of there because they have plenty of time to make arguments about what she says later on in trial yeah sure. michael singleton, was it a mistake for the judge? let all this come out into the courtroom? >> i think so this is salacious fodder, if you will. >> what does this have to do with the case where is the smoking gun here that yeah. it's embarrassing. the donald trump. it sounds bad. all the headlines, all the magazines that have been printed, we're talking about it but what does this have to do with the alleged crime that they're alleging the president, former president, committed. i think this feeds into his argument of being persecuted. i think it feeds into his argument. these are budget new york democrats coming after me because they

don't like me and i'm not saying that. that's an accurate arguments. meghan, thanks to like, do you agree but don't meghan, by the way, is with former message to biden not trump. >> that's my mistake don't you think though that this is going because he said that a fair never happened. >> and so this is just pointing out that he the lying like she's giving very explicit details to point out to people that he is actually lying. and if he's lying about this, what else is he lying about? if there's anyone out there who believes donald trump is an honest person, i have a so you no one believed. but that is totally fair. but in the court of law and a jury, they have to go on the facts. they're supposed to be impartial here and be giving him a fair trial. so i think that they are doing what they need to be doing. i mean, you are an expert at this. i definitely am not, but i feel like that is why they're asking these details. do i think it's salacious? yes. do i think it's unnecessary? yes. but we are sitting on the outside. we are not in that jury box really quickly whether they had been liaison, whether you call it romantic, sexual, whatever else is a central fact at trial, you have to establish that there was some kind of relationship and that the trump campaign or pardon me, that the

trump organization tried to suppress it from voters. that's fine. right? the question is, how much detail you need to provide about that. and we're the prosecution just to say, did you have sex with that man, mr. trump she could say yes. no further questions. then the trump team could put on a witness that denied it. and now you have an equal dispute of facts, right? right. you have to get some additional details out there on the record that makes it harder for the defense to rebut, but but again, to michael, i'm totally with you. once you start getting into the realm of he had polygonal is of mac thanking him and he had pert plus but not but old spice is, but i just the extra details. >> i don't know how the jury's a quick last word to you. >> well, it's obviously as elliott was saying, it's a different case for the jury than it is for the public. and that's part of the problem for trump is there's a public audience and there's the jury audience. obviously, if they didn't believe that this had been somewhat damaging, they wouldn't be planning to go on the attack and try to restore his reputation. they obviously

feel that for the audience both inside and outside the courtroom, this testimony was somewhat damaging. it it's salacious and i think people are tired of a lot of this that's so many years old, but it's also a reminder to the public of a lot of stuff that they haven't heard about in awhile. >> yeah, for sure. >> i had really stored this all very far reaches of my brain, wasn't expecting that revealing again, but here we are all doing it together. all right, coming up next, president biden, warning he'll cut off weapons shipments israel, if they invade rafah is most populated areas plus clashes and tel aviv between police and hostage families. this is one of the five things you have to see this morning and a terrifying night in tennessee, at least two people killed by tornadoes adult film star stormy daniel's revealed salacious details about the former president during her first day on the witness stand. >> what can we expect on day two of her cross-examination? the trump hush money trial today at 90s during on cnn

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american president has done anything along these lines in terms of israel, how do you see the significance of this? >> it's already rippling across israel ben gvir, the national security itamar ben minister itamar ben gvir went on x this morning and said hamas, hearts. joe biden, i mean, this is new territory. >> yeah, it's clearly a breaking point in the already very, very afraid relationship between biden and netanyahu, between the us and israel and it tells you just how little he feels he's able to communicate with b be in private, right? this is a message that i think the us and the president have repeatedly tried to convey to the israelis privately and it clearly has not been successful and so they've taken this, this quite extreme step to say, even though these weapons have been authorized by congress, we're going to put a pause on them because we've told you not to do this the president is, in? an impossible situation here where he's already getting a lot of criticism, even from some democrats who are strongly

pro israel at the same time, he's not getting any credit politically from the many on the left who feel he's been to accommodating to israel. and so the whole question for him is just what are the results of this? conflict? how does this end up? i think that's where everything is going to what it hangs on. >> megan hayes and this is a significant policy shift. do you think he's going to get credit for it with the progressive left? and is it worth the risk that he is taking in terms of the us relationship with israel and look, the reality is there's a wide swath of the democratic party who are supportive of israel and who are not on the same sayyed as these campus protesters. so i'm not sure he's gonna get credit with the progressive. i'm not sure it's also a major policy shift. i think he's been saying for a long time, there'll be consequences. i think just detailing out what those consequences are more broadly now, what he's doing, but i do think that he he genuinely cared about human life and he knows that there's an issue and in god that he is trying to protect more human life and he is saying we are not going to be complicit and you're killing more people. so it's not necessarily a policy

shift. i think this is where he has he's being more empathetic and he's showing that and i also disagree a little bit, but he doesn't say to netanyahu what he's doing. i think that they are having a lot of the private conversations, but i think he's now talking the american public that these are the conversations we're having and we are going to hold them accountable. >> this is a bit of a political conundrum for the president. last night, bit i statement i didn't focus group with some jewish students last night to understand their experiences on this. and i'm not complete with the data, the qualitative data yet so over some of the things that hurt one jewish student last week, she said she was given a jewish flag by a campus organization and other students snacks to flag spit honore and called her dirty jew another jewish student talked about how an anthropology professor, wanted him to do a project, talking about how the palestinians were the real victims. and israel was committing genocide, as she said, well i'm jewish, i lost family during october 7, and the professor said, well, if you don't write the paper, you're going to fail the class. these students on, these jewish students are experiencing very terrible

things. you have one student said, i wish i can just leave. i didn't come to college for this. >> and so i understand. >> no one wants innocent lives will be lost. what about jewish students who are having to traverse through college campuses afraid of the lives hiding their star of david because they don't know if someone's going to physically or verbally assault them. >> so these are very real things that i think the president, he's spoken a little bit on it, but it needs to be more direct and more firm or some of these universities, casey, need to also do a better job taking those jewish students? because many of them are afraid? >> yeah, we it's fascinating perspective. thank you very much for bringing that to us today. all right, come on up next here rfk jr. claiming a worm eight part of his brain that is apparently a thing. >> we will talk about it plus y, this could be a much more difficult day on the stand for stormy daniels. and the olympic torch at the plane arriving on french soil, 79 days before the paris games begin.

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you seeing and good morning. >> we've got a couple of tornado watches out there, so let's kinda break it down because they've got different timelines to them. the one further to the west and includes most of alabama and areas of mississippi. that one is that one until 10:00 a.m. central time today, the newer one, this is the one that includes the bulk of georgia, including atlanta, making it even augusta. that one is valid until 1:00 p.m. eastern time this afternoon and it's all because of this main line of storms that sliding through, we've got several severe thought under storm warnings are active at this moment. that's what those orange boxes are. and this line is going to slowly make its way south and eastward in the coming hours, it's not just severe potential, but also flooding all of these red boxes you see here are flash flood warnings, including a flash flood emergency that is just north of nashville where they've had four to seven inches of rain. that is already fallen, and we're still adding more rain on top of that, there will also be the continued threat for severe storms that's why we have the tornado watches in effect. but essentially all of this area you see here has the potential for some large to very large hail, possibly

baseball size. we can also see some damaging winds and yes, even a few tornadoes and the tornadoes would likely just add to the already very high tornado count. we have just in the last 24 hours, we've had 13 tornado reports, 160 wind reports, and 100, hail reports, and that overall number is because of a very long stretch of days that we have had with tornado reports, we are now up to 323 total tornado reports since april 25th, casey. so it's been a very long time since we've had a break, but the good news is, i think once we get to this weekend, we will finally start to see a lot of that severe weather calm back down all right. >> hoping for that allison chin char for us, alison. thanks very much. coming up next here. rfk jr. claiming a worm eight part of his brain that is a real sentence house speaker mike johnson survived marjorie taylor greene's attempt to throw him out jack didn't go to america's best you for a

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talking about this in the brain i don't know who wants to go first on what is going on here but ellie elliot williams, why don't i start with you. this obviously comes up in the context of his independent presidential bid for president and concerns about his health. but yeah, brain worms. yeah. and to be clear we chuckle. it's not funny. ultimately any, i mean, it's awful. >> it is awful having a dead worm in your brain. i can't imagine having a live worm in my brain, any kind of worm anywhere. >> and i prayers tell and speedy recovery and all of that recovered from it now and thank god, he's fine. now, i think there's a few things going on though. it's one how candid has his campaign been about his condition and healthy hasn't released his medical records. and i think particularly as the country is so intrigued by the egn health of the other people running for president. it's probably it would serve the

kennedy campaign well to be more upfront about the shape he's in, i think the other thing is i remember the days of i smoked but didn't inhale. and now here we are with number one, i've had a brain brainwash firms, but also having shot heroin and all kinds of other business in his background like the standards for who can be a major presidential candidate who really changed eleia. >> that's built, bill clinton. what is more for my time really work from really crazy. i don't even know what to say about this. it seems so unrealistic like an old movie from the 70s is hippie guy who was having a lot of fun and wakes up it's like dude, there's a worm in your brain, like, i just don't know where to go from this when i saw this trending last night, megan, i did not think this is a real story. and here we are this. he's not a serious candidate. this is not a serious i mean, this is like just more stuff for us to talk about. he's not a serious candidate like, let's be real like to your

point, like this is not something that standards are so low on him that this doesn't i don't think people are paying attention to, right? >> well, look, i think you had an opportunity to be a serious candidate, right? >> i mean, i think it's why both major campaigns saw him and continued to see him as something of a threat. but we see him continuing to register really in single digits let's at best and most polls and i think that's because when you see a headline about rfk, it tends to be something like brain worms. it's not him going out there and giving a policy speech. right? we had a fascinating expos a, on what's happening inside his campaign. and it's a bunch of weirdos and drifters and people who are so afraid of electromagnetic radiation that they can't keep a microwave in the office. >> so like this not someone who has assembled like sort of respectable team of light heavyweights who are really trying to convince people that he could be a traditional president, right? >> i think that's part of the reason that you know, he is getting on some valets and both campaigns are still worried about him. he's not been making the kind of inroads to even be like a ross perot to point out that was the point i wanted to pick up on its he's

not a serious candidate. everybody seems to be in agreement about that. >> but the other campaigns do appear to be at least concerned about what impact he could have. >> i'd be curious from that side of the table a switch of a few percentage points in wisconsin, pennsylvania, nevada. >> well, let's go with the arizona because he's on ballot there i mean, i think that we should do biden and his campaign should be looking at the nikki haley voters who continually appreciate outperforming. >> and she is not even running anymore and she continues to get anything. she had 120,000 votes in indiana. she got 150,000 votes in pennsylvania, like that is someone that the biden campaign should be focused on. it's converting those voters to him. i don't think based refocused on our way to that point. >> i'm not exactly sure anymore if we're going to see a pill off from either candidate, i think rfk turnout individuals who weren't going to be engaged in the process, generally speaking, anyway, who may be sorted into some of his conspiratorial. >> i'll be on the unit. sounds like trump voters. >> what biden, but i'm not but convince eleia to that question that either trump or president

biden would lose a substantial number of voters katie, i think these will be new folks. >> we weren't going to vote at all. >> we're going to say now, my guys and i'm gonna vote for rfk. yeah. okay. so two things here. rfk said thihis on the platform formerly known as twitter yesterday, quote i offered to eat five more brain worms and still beat president trump and president biden in a debate. >> so just, just so we have his response on the record, there but this broader kind of question that mali raised this in terms of the prospect that kennedy had to be a serious conversation here. >> i mean, he is from a storied political families, so many voters still know the name aim kennedy. that there was significant concern in in democratic circles about it, but he has come under attack from his own family, the kennedy family is rejecting his candidacy perhaps the person who has had the most interesting set of takes on this is jack schlossberg, who is the daughter or son, excuse me, of caroline kennedy, who has of course, daughter jfk

watch what he's been doing on instagram he's lying to us for sure. plus, i raised and you can always tell when a hot force being pumped full of testosterone narrowest doesn't make the horse think any better or run any faster. for apple doesn't always fall to close. >> third party independent yes, freaking right? he's got trump's don't as he's got trump's advises him in trump go away, freak him back kamali ball. pretty remarkable. >> well, it isn't. on the other hand, you also see the trump operation increasingly attacking him because they also see him as a threat because he does have this crossover appeal to some of those conspiratorial voters i think to share michael's point, what pollsters are seeing in this election is there isn't an unusual level of undecided and its those casual voters, it is those disaffected voters. it's a lot of young voters. it's a lot of sort of non-partisan

voters who dislike both major candidates. and i think there was the potential, there continues to be potential for an rfk like candidate to make inroads with that group. and honestly this sort of conspiratorial or the anti-vax stuff may not be that much of a hurdle to some of those people. and we've seen rfk get traction by really maximizing his platform going on every two-bit podcast yes, there is, right? and seeking to appeal to that sort of interesting slice of the electorate. so i, by the way, he can say all of these things basically on challenged often exactly. well. but that's what you're going to continue to see. the biden campaign trotting out kennedy family and others because they need people to know who he really lee is in their view and that he is not as he might appear, a representative of the kennedy family and its legacy. >> yeah. >> more question does jfk's grandson mocking accents and going after his uncle or cousin

how does that what does that do for the kennedy family's image? i'm actually we curious about that. i was thinking about. >> is it a good luck with the testosterone in the horse? >> it's not a good luck and a lot of people will look at the kennedy family and say, look, these are democratic elites. >> they're a bit out of touch with us. look how they're making fun of the way we talk in sound. you really just stay away from that type of stuff. if you're trying to critique your career and i wouldn't go that and i think we have a different relationship with politicians today. we've been talking about this for much of the show today, where things are just sort of looser& almost grosser than they were. but much of the country on all sides has reverence for the kennedy family and how they behave and how they imported. and that's it now, it's campbell and that's not camelot there now, maybe it doesn't need to be that's just interesting to see what i mean if you look back to the endorsement they did for the president a few weeks ago, that was like the story camelot, right? >> that was a very elegant, very great affair where they were very encouraging and of supporting president. so i just, i mean, i think he's probably appealing to the folks

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they've been they've tried to keep them private. >> yeah. yeah. they've always been very protective of him. melania's especially wanting to try to shelter him from any kind of public attention. so this is really his, his debut as any kind of political actor. and it'll be very interesting if he's going to follow his brothers into that into that spot. yeah. and of course, trump wants to go to his graduation next week, so his trial is not going to be active that day. >> all right. let's turn now to this nikki haley disappeared at the beginning of the march. >> march, and she still took home more than 20% of the vote, which means either a large chunk of indiana voters are not planning to vote for trump or mike pence voted 128,000 you may remember nikki haley, donald trump's former republican rival, sharing 21% of the vote in indiana's republican primary, which was held on tuesday, despite the fact that she dropped out two months ago. >> and then of course, trump has effectively locked the nomination support for haley could be a warning sign that he is struggling to get some key

he support from moderates in his party trump lost 16% to haley in the recent pennsylvania primary, he responded to those results by saying this let's a very small number because she was campaigning, she was spending millions of dollars. she was getting it from democrats, frankly, much, much of that money. all of those people are going to come to me because what what's first of all, what statuary is biden is the worst president in the history of our country. they're all coming to me. we see it already they're all coming to me all right. >> joining me now is mark mckinnon, former adviser to george w bush and john mccain, & creator of paramount's the circus. mark, thrilled to have you here good morning. >> casey. how are you so let's talk about these haley voters. >> indiana, obviously not a swing state, but it does give us a little bit of a window into some of the thinking of the midwest as too broadly which is going to be a key part of this. were you surprised that that number was so high and we sort of stop talking about this because the republican primary is petered

out. but how much of a problem do you see this as being for trump in a persistent way as we had to november i think it's potentially very significant and erase that could be decided literally by 10,000 votes or so. nikki haley's getting she got to 150,000 votes in pennsylvania and so for somebody who's not technically technically on the ballot, you took her view. >> she said she wasn't running and to get almost a quarter of the republican vote so the issue is are those voters who voted for nikki haley going to come back and vote for trump, but they didn't vote for him in a republican primary. >> i don't think so. i think they're either not going to vote, they're going to vote for joe biden, but i don't think they're going to donald trump. so i think that is a persistent problem that could be a big issue for donald trump in the fall mark, if you're the biden campaign, how should you be in your view thinking about the tension that exists between this group of voters, right? >> these nikki haley voters, that as you say, could be guessable by president biden.

and the issues that they have with the base on the progressive left because we saw in this cnn exclusive interview, biden saying he's going to win. he is withholding arms from israel. he's going to continue to do it if they invade rafah. that's really about this progressive left that's really pushing him on this issue. but haley voters tend to be in a different place on that particular question. if your them, what do you do? >> yeah. listen, if i'm if i'm the biden campaign and i'd be more interested in getting haley voters and i am the progressive left at the end of the day, you have to count on the progressive left coming home. they definitely have nowhere to go. they're not going to they're definitely not going to go up or down trump. but the margin of victory for joe biden in 2020 was and should be in 2024. those independent or soft republican voters who are haley voters. so i would look at a strategy that increasingly appeals to the haley voters rather than the progressive left yeah, biden also talked a little bit about the economy with erin burnett,

and he basically said he said falsely that inflation was 9% when he came into office, it wasn't, it was down around 1.6. >> it hit 9% in june of 2022, and he keeps saying, look we've, we've fix the economy, but that's not lining up with where voters are. what were you surprised about how he handled that question and how do you think he should be looking at this well, listen first of all, i think it's good that he's doing interviews. >> he needs to be visible. listen, there's 100 days left. he's got to be out there every single day bang and the drums loudly as he can especially on the economy, which is a fundamental issue for voters. of course the line that i like that i thought was really good was he put it right to trump when he said trump has never, never succeeded in creating jobs, i've never failed. that's a good message, and that's going to get under donald trump's skin, which is where do you want to go up your joe biden yes. >> getting under his can clearly provokes him to do things that his campaign advisers would probably wish. that he didn't biden was also

asked and i want to show this to you about what advice he was getting from former president obama about this race. take a look peep doing. >> i'm doing to make sure what his advice is. shame in front again vice president, look, you've got to organize block and tackle people knocking on doors, putting up signs what do you read into that there? >> because there's some there's some there's a backstory, right. between former president obama and current president biden in terms of now honestly, credit for accomplishments, kind of level of significance of their various presidencies. what is your read into how he answered that question? >> well yeah, it looks these a little prickly about it, but that's there's generally some tension between presence and vice presidents. but listen, if obama is a two-time winner i know how hard it is to get re-elected as president in our

current era. it's tough and so i would take any advice that obama has, and he's right about the blocking and tackling this race is going to come down to three states and thousands of votes. so this is going to be all about just picking off one voter at a time and just play it like the green bay packers, i think obama's got it right. >> yeah. i mean, it look, i've from my here's a covering campaigns. i've become a big believer in in campaigns mattering, right? and i know you've run them. so i think that probably makes sense to you as well in that blocking and tackling situation, mark, since we've got this stormy daniels back on the stand today, i'm really very interested in your perspective on how so that testimony that we saw from her is or isn't going to impact the election and we've we've also learned at cnn that they're going to do a more aggressive cross-examination than they had previously planned. in part because of the suggestions that were made that the encounter may not have been entirely

consensual and then stormy daniel said it was, but she also kind of outlined ways in which she felt kind of coerced or threatened in terms of how she told the story. i mean, what impact does this have broadly on voters? if any? and what do you thing we're going to see from the trump legal team today and how could that change things? >> well, number one, i'm throwing out all my old spice. number two, i'm not sure it was smart to put stormy daniels on the stand that the issue of sex is not in question for the jury, they don't want be surprised, be paid not to have sex. >> but in the end, more broadly, is, does this have an impact on the election in an election where again, it's going to come down three states and thousands of votes at the end of the day, even though it's a trial where a lot of people say, i wasn't that big a deal. >> porn actress consensual sex, blah, blah. >> he's still could be found guilty and a president of a nominee of a party running for president, who has been found guilty of a crime. >> could that affect enough votes to swing the election? on this tight? yep fair enough.

>> mark mckinnon for us this morning, mark, i always very grateful. tax case active on the show. thanks for being here as we were just discussing stormy daniels is headed back to the witness stand in donald trump's hush money trial in just a few hours with the former president's legal team cross-examining the adult film star are a source telling cnn that trump's lawyers are planning a longer and more harsh cross-examination to help protect trump's reputation after daniels raised the possibility that her alleged 22,006 sexual encounter with trump was not entirely consensual. she told us accusers on tuesday that after agreeing to have dinner with trump, he greeted her at his hotel silk or satin pajamas with daniels adding that she joked with trump. >> does mr. hefner know you stole his pajamas and later after daniels went to the bathroom, trump was on the bed between her and the exit in just a t-shirt and boxer shorts. daniels also detailed and incident involving a magazine that she previously disclosed to anderson cooper in 2018 interview it started off

all about him just talking about himself and he's like, have you seen my new magazine? he was showing you his own picture on the cover right and so it's like this. does this normally work for you? >> and he looked various taken take it back like he didn't really understand. i was saying i was just talking about yourself normally work and i was like someone should take that magazine and spank you with it. so he turned around and fold his pants down a little. he had underwear on stuff and i just gave them a couple of slots a couple of slots elliot williams i love mark mckinnon, love, love, love, but i have to push back on. great. do it said, which is that it's not in debate that they had sex and know it may not be in debate to any of us, but prosecutors have to with stab wish every fact as charged or alleged in front of the jury. and that includes whether two people who the public knows had sex have sex. and it was important to put some witness on who could bring you into the room. again, we can debate till

the end of the time whether spanking on the butt with a time magazine is a necessary fact for the public now, but they had to put that witness on full stop, ray. >> but did you say yeah, go ahead and time magazine reporter thing i believe. yeah. formerly time, i don't know if we know that it was time magazine, but you really, i think it was forbes magazine, city of print we have these objects around. you can't do that with a phone, with a computer magazines me, print journalism. >> we're their doors. print journalism here. okay. at this show the real point of all that right, obviously i'm sure michael, we to lie. i mean, look, he's ali. ali, it has made this point this morning that stormy daniels had to be on the stand the details of it though we really need the details. >> i mean no hole better but you know what i got, i do have to be honest, this is me taking

off my political strategies, had this was really interesting. i mean, i've talked to so many people who were just like, wow, like holy smoke like this. it's really former president some people were interested in the fact that he and the former first lady didn't sleep they embed together same room so there are some interesting facts that have come out of this. will it move the political needle on not necessarily sure, but holy smoke. >> that's a really good point because we've heard reports from inside the room. we obviously don't know how any of this is playing with the jury. they were transfixed by this testimony and these are the sorts of human details that people who are not into politics do tend to pick up and perceive and notice. >> yeah, i mean, look, i will say and this is firmly in the anecdote or realm. i'm just going to like full disclosure, but i was sitting at a bar on happy hour time one day this week and meghan, his the they weren't they were talking about the bartender was talking about it with a couple of people down the way. i'm sort of eavesdropped now they weren't comparing it to bill clinton and saying, well, this is nothing compared to that or whatever they clearly we're i think the politics were clearly

on the right, not the left in terms of this conversation, but it is breaking through in that way thank you for that i agree. i do think it is breaking through. it also goes to show donald trump character, which i think it's important whether or not, whether whatever side of the aisle you're on, it goes to show his character in it and build some perception there. i think if they weren't worried about his character at this point, they would not be cross-examining her for as long as they want to do today, right? >> well, i mean, look, on a serious note, the new york times kind of framed it this way in terms of the jury and what the jury is going let's see, having lived in the same culture as all of us and potentially being inured to what's going on. they say, quote, the problem is the damage done to american society over the past nine years. a sense of lowered expectations about politics that affects all of us, including those of us selected for jury duty. trump managed to do exactly what many far-sighted people warrant he would, in your large parts of the public, to his depredations against honesty, integrity, and decency. he has an effect

increased our tolerance for inexcusable behavior by our leaders. and they argue elliot that this applies to the jury absolutely applies the jury and a beat me to it because it was the next thing in my head which is that we have become desensitized it's in this country, maybe it's donald trump, maybe it started with bill clinton, maybe it's a combination, something in the water, but desensitized to the madness that comes out of politicians and listening to this, it is, and we're talking about this in the break that the starr report when it came out was so seismic hearing about that cigar in that dress and so on, and buying he now it's the president got spanked with the magazine fertile that role that they knew and it's, it's, it's almost depressing and embarrassing about where politics of sunk in american politics caught up with sort of our culture, right? >> in terms of reality tv, this sort of be in the norm. >> yeah, very quickly is where i want an election since 2016, so it's not the case that people are coming out of the woodwork to say this is fine with me it's a great way to

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