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warning to israel, the comments from prime minister benjamin netanyahu about a ground invasion. nikki haley is coming off the sidelines, as the 11th hour gets underway on this thursday night. good evening, i am katie fang in for stephanie ruhle, 14 days in to donald trump's criminal trial, stormy daniels returned to the witness stand and faced off against trump's defense team in a very interesting cross-examination. my colleague laura jarrett has more. >> reporter: tonight, stormy daniels leaving court after a blistering cross-examination. former president trump's team suggesting she has been trying to cash in on her story of sex with mr. trump at a celebrity

golf tournament 18 years ago which he denies ever happened. the defense accusing her of lying. trump's attorney, susan necheles, hammering her years of acting and directing the poor in industry, saying it gave a lot of experience in making funny stories about sex appeal or -- appear real. she fired back and said that the story was untrue i would have written it a lot better. and they grew heated, you've acted and had sex in over 200 poor movies but according to you, singing man sitting in bed and a t-shirt and boxer shorts was so upsetting that you almost fainted? daniels defiant, saying he was twice her age and vigor. and susan necheles said you made this all up right? and stormy daniels says no. and she said your story has completely changed, hasn't it, and daniels answering no, saying the signed statement where she denied an affair with mr. trump was done while she

was trying to comply with the terms of a nondisclosure agreement in which she was paid to keep silent. the defense argued daniels has a financial stake in trying to take mr. trump down, after making more than $1 million offer story and books, a strip club tour in various items on the website, like a stormy saints of indictments candle, accusing her of selling a story that you promised will put president trump in jail, right? figure no. she responded. much of the testimony is far removed from what the presumptive gop nominee has been charged with for allegedly falsifying business records to hide a $130,000 payment to daniels ahead of the 2016 election. prosecutors say the payment was meant to keep her quiet so she couldn't derail his campaign but the defense says there was no crime, it was all a shakedown. daniels testified today, i was asking the so my story to publications, to get the truth out, and susan necheles said

she could've just done that with a press conference for free. daniels responded i could have. and she asserted you chose to make money, right? and daniel said i chose to take the nondisclosure agreement. the jury hearing a phone call between michael cohen and daniels' lawyer who negotiated the nda, the lawyer saying she wanted the money more than you can ever imagine. on redirect by the state, daniels told the jury money did not drive the motivation for signing the nda, quote, we are all happy to take money, it was just a bonus. the former trump aid wester house said the story -- testifying saying i remember he was very upset, and late today the judge denied the defenses new renewed request for mistrial, his attorneys had argued that the salacious testimony was prejudicial and irrelevant, the judge also refusing to change the gag order, which currently bars mr.

trump from commenting on the testimony. >> everybody so what happened today, out of the to do any splitting, i have to get on the ping -- campaign trail, i'm not supposed to be here, we are so innocent, there's never been anything like it. >> with that, let's bring off the lead panel, hugo, with the guardian, chris, former prosecutor and writer for the magazine, and germy salon, criminal defense attorney and former ada of the manhattan office, jeremy, i will start with you, we are both former prosecutors in da offices, mine was a state attorney's office but i do start with this with you, the shaming that went on today reminded me when i prosecuted a sexual assault case in the defense attorney tried to shame the victim by attacking the way she dressed or what she did why she was

where she was at the time she was, most shocking, done by female criminal defense attorney, your thoughts about whether that strategy backfired? figure sometimes as you know, you come with a woman defense attorney to try to soften the blow and they did quite the opposite, it was dehumanizing, degrading and insulting, sure she may have lied and wanted money, and frankly donald trump once money, rich to be rich, i think it backfired. you have to take an approach of not coming out swinging because donald trump wants her to pay back in spades, it doesn't help your client even if you wanted to happen, it hurts and you and the defense attorney doesn't want you that's not to be the bad guy center of attention, all the sudden you have a sympathetic witness which becomes a story, which you didn't need to be, about the sex when it is not that case. >> hugo, to jeremy's point, why waste so much valuable time if

you're the defense crossing stormy daniels on all of these issues when you just got up and made a big inc. on tuesday about the prosecution getting too much time into the details? i went back and looked at the opening statement by todd blanche, he actually says to the jury, i'm going to say something else about her testimony, her being stormy daniels and this is important, it doesn't matter. hugo, your thoughts about that?>> trump's lawyers on the cross-examination of stormy daniels was really trying to focus on the inconsistencies in her various retellings of the story, because she has gone out and talked about her sexual encounter with trump at times but the one thing that was constant throughout all of her retellings of the story, and this was elicited by prosecutors later on, was she has always said that she had

sex with donald trump, in 2011 when she did the interview with intouch magazine in 2018 and with anderson cooper and the stand at trial, and it was extraordinary to see susan necheles, trumps lawyer, spent so much time on the things that they later complained about when they made a motion for a mistrial, all this testimony and evidence about the salacious detail, including whether or not they had dinner, she spent a long time talking about whether trump had dinner with stormy daniels in there for she is embellishing or making up the story of the encounter, and that just focused more attention on the salacious details and not on the fact that she had no direct dealings with the falsified business records. >> and chris, i focus more attention on the fact that the defense did not object on tuesday, the motion for mistrial, the second one was denied by the judge, he excoriated the defense, the jury was not there, if you look

at the transcript he said to the defense, i was surprised there are more objections and he said to hugo's point, you didn't spend any time on cross with stormy daniels talking about her lack of personal knowledge about the falsification of the business records. this is the second motion for mistrial, was this done for the legitimate purpose of doing a mistrial now or just purposes of an appeal?>> idled as any to do it for the purposes of appeal, they already have a motion for a mistrial but my suspicion is, they are doing donald trump spitting, is a notoriously difficult client, they made a strategic error by not conceding that this encounter happened, they could have preempted, if not entirely, much of her testimony, but prosecutors had to call her because trump has denying it for years and a serious mistake, todd blanche

repeated the denial in the opening statement. now if you believe her testimony, the only natural conclusions are that donald trump is lying as part of his defense and that his lead counsel is not to be trusted, because he will pass along his clients lies. all the stories of inconsistencies or whatever, the paperwork, susan necheles was driving at, i wasn't in the room but i found it, to be reading it, quite silly. the only thing that the jury needs to believe is that the two of them had sex, i don't think any serious person doubts that. if the story changes a little overtime, she wanted money, of the only thing the jury has to takeaways that they had sex, that is it. >> and they did not believe dino the doorman and yet they paid him off, if you don't believe her, why are you paying her off anyway. and the defense made an application as they call it in new york as you know, to amend

the gag order, donald trump saying he needs to be able to respond to stormy daniels because last night her friend went on cnn and made some statements that corroborated, that was interesting, her friends statements desperate corroborated stormy daniels testimony on tuesday, senator rick scott from florida was there with his pal donald trump of the trial and he had some things to say. >> the judges daughter is a political operative and raises money for democrats. you got the lead prosecutor's wife is a significant donor to democrats and to biden, so this is just a bunch of democrats saying we want to make sure that donald trump can't talk. >> jeremy, the last time we were together we are talking with the gag order in the enforceability and whether trump was going to get jailed, the interesting nuance, the expanded gag order imposes upon

donald trump that he can't make statements about witnesses etc., and he can't make other people say it, in this instance was this a new version of donald trump trying to end run a court order by having his surrogates run around in front of cameras and talk about other people?>> two things, first of all, you heard from donald trump, we heard that he puts loyalty before anything else, intelligence, work ethic, integrity, that's what rick scott is, he's therefore is an agenda probably too but it lawyer soldier for donald trump. let's look at who that is. number 2, in terms of enforceability, think of this as an order protection situation, it is very hard to establish that it was done at the behest of the bad actor or the person who is the defendant or the accused, it's the same issue, how are you going to establish and confirm and prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that's where we find ourselves, that rick scott was acting at

the direction or behest of donald trump that's also part of the reason why the judges recognizing we need to keep it intact, i'm not going to limited other witnesses that may come on, they can have the fear that as soon as they are done testifying, is attacked by donald trump or somebody else. is limited in scope and doing its job and ultimately maybe another fine or incarceration, which frankly is not that likely. >> jeremy, if you are alvin bragg, do try to get even more expanded gag order were prevents that from happening, i imagine evidentiary hearing, you bring in rick scott and put them under oath and answer whether or not donald trump told him to say these things? >> i think that become such a sideshow, can you fathom me situation, i guess we can since we are here anyway, rick scott testifies and cross-examined and whether he tells the truth or not, this is a falsified

business records case in the da needs to move it forward and get it done and get it to a conclusion. >> hugo i wanted to talk to you about one of the other witnesses, rebecca menochio, the assistant to alan weissberg, putting aside the fact that alan weissberg and trump were thick as thieves, they went from the organization to keith schiller, his bodyguard, the personal address and that's all they needed to donald trump, and went through madeleine westerhaus , why are they not going to be patched to the white house like everything else would?>> we got a granular look at how the check signing process to place, westerhaus testified about how they would go from new york, in a little fedex packet in the manila

folder and the invoice backing and get fedex to dc and at the vet keith schiller's house and he would take it to the white house, it's an interesting story and the details that we have not heard previously. it is not clear why they went through this process, susan necheles tried to suggest on cross that it was maybe because the way that the white house mail processing work meant that the checks would not arrive to the oval office fast enough, they needed this expedited, that was not ultimately elicited. but it is interesting that tie all the characters together, we are talking about a criminal conspiracy here in earlier we had stormy daniels talking about how it was keith schiller who wanted to set up between trump and stormy daniels back in 2006, and keith schiller makes another appearance and tying the entire story together,

and this ensemble conspiracy cast of characters, in that sense it was quite significant tiling -- tying the story in one nice bow. >> keith schiller is the bodyguard standing outside the hotel when stormy daniels goes to have the dinner and i believe the reason why he goes to keith schiller so that there is less of a trail, list of people knowing at the white house that these checks are going to donald trump to sign them. and madeleine westerhaus, the last witness on the stand, the waterworks bothered me. i know she's young but hope hicks, madeleine westerhaus, crying on the stand, both of them paying some type of homage to donald trump but she still just like hope hicks, did her former boss in. she said that donald trump paid attention to the details. he signed the checks himself by hand with the notorious sharpie but he definitely was aware of everything going on. are these witnesses that are being called by the prosecution, and they are there

via subpoena, are they doing damage to donald trump, when the cross gets up, so susan necheles, are you okay, you were young when this happened and you made mistakes? because look, some of these witnesses are filling in fairly narrow gaps in the evidence, establishing fairly narrow things but useful to the das case. i want to echo something that jeremy said, i sure his view, this needs to move to the main event at this point. i don't know how many books they put into evidence by donald trump at this point but are we going to ever talk about his involvement in falsifying records or whether he knew there was an underlying crime or had discussions with anyone other than michael cohen&, whether the das office can establish he intended to aid or conceal the crime given his involvement in the falsification of records, of course they're going to get there, they're going to have to get there whether they like it

or not, we are over halfway through the trial according to the das office his own estimate, and madeleine westerhaus will not make or break the case, the books are not going to make or break it that he wrote, they are useful, i don't think they have established the key thing yet, and they are going to need to get there. >> i want to stick with this for second before we have to part ways with jeremy. the falsification of the business records is the layout, it was never a retainer, you're not could desperate you have michael cohen testify, and donald trump admitted there were no legal services provided, those of the 34 misdemeanors right there, you don't think there has been enough of the prosecution to talk about the intent and motive as to why donald trump would want to hide this before the november 26 election? >> that's not the relevant motive the need to establish, they need to establish that he falsified the records to

conceal a crying. someone has to put into his head or prosecution has to established by circumstantial evidence that he was aware there was potential criminal exposure resulting from the underlying repayment scheme. it's not enough to say he did with the story to come out because it would be better for the election, that when i get them a conviction.>> regret ago, i mean totally have to go, there is a new york statute that deals with concealing to be able to advance a political opponent or campaign, so i will continue to have this conversation but jeremy thank you so much, thanks for being here, everybody else is sticking around. when we come back, trump's delay tactics may be paying off, will any of the other cases see the light of day before the election? president biden draws a line with israel, threatening to withdraw weapons if they go into rafah. as we continue into thursday night. thursday to

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donald trump's new york trial grinds on, and his legal team is still dealing with three other criminal cases. successfully kicking those trials down the road. hugo, you and i talk all things mar-a-lago and classified documents probably more than we should, but the strategy of

trump has been delayed delay, everyone saw it coming but the tactic still worked with judge eileen cannon, do you think voters will be paying attention to all that the only case that is going to trial so far is the one new york?>> i think that's an interesting question. i think there are a lot of voters who are aware there are multiple criminal cases, against the former president, and the fact that he will only be in a courtroom facing criminal trials once before the election at this rate, the fact that the mar-a-lago documents case no longer has a trial date, and the georgia case is about to be appealed, and january 6 case we are waiting for the supreme court to rule, i think voters do notice that trumps criminal cases are not moving forward. as to how that affects how they vote is an open question. i can certainly see some voters looking at that and going, if they're not moving forward is maybe because like trump said

it's a bit of a sham or the case is not strong but i can also see other people go oh, this guy is an effort -- expert at weaponizing the justice system and making sure he doesn't have to face accountability before trial so i think you can cut both ways. >> and your colleagues and you as well at politico, even watching the impact of the trials on donald trump and his inability campaign and how it affects his legal future. we expect michael cohen to testify a, is going to be dig -- big testimony but i think the trial will be done in three weeks and trump is already back on the trail, maybe scotus comes back with a ruling before the end of term, june, that would actually tell us was going to happen with the dc election interference case, what does all of this mean moving forward as we kind of wait for big blockbuster testimony by someone like michael cohen in a verdict in this case? >> it's an undesirable situation

in my estimation, i completely agree with you go, the political effects that we've been pulling at politico and tried to wrap her head around it but the reality is, it's it totally unprecedented thing and we can't predict with any certainty what the fallout will be following a conviction or whatever the result may be. to my mind, the maddening thing about the situation is how the supreme court has handled trumps immunity claim arising from the justice department's january 6 prosecution over the 2020 election. i've said this before, the oral argument on trumps ridiculous claim was a national historic disgrace that the supreme court. it will be back in the news whenever the issue their opinion, which looks like on balance it will be favorable to trump things to affect that a third of the justices were appointed by him and several others are reliable republican votes in high-profile cases.

but whether it will register it's hard to say. from our polling, people of them paying the closest attention to that case and most engaged with that case. so i think they will be attentive to it, but the reality is, if there is not a trial, that's a huge blind spot headed into november for voters. >> hugo, i have less than a minute, but another case we focus on, fulton county, the georgia appellate court indicating that they are taking the interlaboratory appeal by donald trump another defendants as to judge mcafee's decision not to disqualify da fanny willis. issuing the order, whether they took of the case, he was going to forge ahead with pretrial deadlines and we still don't have a trial date? >> that's the one jarring thing, we haven't had a trial date at

all, it's not like we had any documents case and everyone vacated, we've never had a trial date. it is telling to me that at the rate we are going in georgia, the supreme court takes his time to rule on the fani willis disqualification manor, we might not have a trial until next year, and if you trial until next year, scott mcafee may not even be a judge anymore, and god knows how long it will take for the case to kind of work its way through the rest of the pretrial motions. it is telling how far back we are in fulton county from actually proceeding to taking this matter before a jury. >> at least fulton county remains a state prosecution. please. thank you both for staying with me you both. president biden, no-win situation, his threat to pull weapons from israel may be one of the biggest tests in the relationship in decades, when

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civilians have been killed in gaza, with other ways in which they go after population centers. i made it clear that if they go into rafah, they haven't yet, but if they go into rafah, i'm not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with the cities and that

problem. >> today the white house added that the united states would only be halting shipments of certain weapons to israel, a national security council spokesperson clarified that weapons are still being sent but in israel politicians expressed outrage over president biden's move and so did some republicans here at home. >> if any jewish person voted for joe biden they should be ashamed of themselves, he has totally abandoned israel. >> 100% a political calculation, we can see that, the same reason he's making me political calculation not to callout anti- semitism on campuses >> other allies who rely on ironclad guarantees from america will question her commitment. -- our commitment. >> peter >>, from the new york times, barry mccaffrey, a decorated commander in vietnam and the

persian gulf. thank you for being here, general mccaffrey, i would like to have you explain exactly what types of weapons has the white house announced their concerned about being used in rafah there was an articulation that they were going to stop offensive weapons, 500 pound air force pounds and 2000 pound bombs. much of this distinction doesn't make much sense, i've been almost killed many times by what might be allegedly defensive weapons by an adversary. at the end of the day, 60% of the gaza territory has been destroyed, there have been significant, massive piles of stone in -- massive palestinian counties, by the israeli crew attack on -- by the hamas attack on israel, brought on

the fight by idf, and hamas has chosen to fight in a 2.4 million urban train and co- located many facilities with hospitals, schools and human protected zones. so the idea of, which is gone and there, with a couple thousand killed and wounded, i thought they might have lost as many as 10,000 or more except they have used, what they've tried to achieve his pinpoint accuracy, 155 artillery drones and air attack, the israelis are in a no win situation. they have lost the information war and now they are facing public pressure from their major ally, which obviously takes away the deterrent effect , the leverage they have to get back the 100 odd alive or dead hostages. a terrible situation with the israelis and the palestinian

civilians to boot. >> is it hyperbolic to consider this is a turning point or breaking point in the 76 year israel and u.s. relationship? let's be clear, how much aid was just approved, last year that he was provided $158.7 billion to israel since the founding and just provided $3.8 billion in military aid, it's not like it is not been provided to israel at this time. >> is exactly right, important to remember that not only has the united states and the largest supplier to israel over the history and it continues to be, the present administration said they will spend every single dollar and i'm that was just approved by congress. another $15 billion on top of everything else. with a have done is make a strategic decision to stop a specific shipment, 3500 bombs

of the type, they have not yet stopped other types of weapons yet, they might, that's the application that president biden has made, if you go into rafah, there's going to be more consequences and shipments that i'm going to stop, that's what he's trying to get them to understand and therefore not to do it in the first place. but you're right, a turning point, a breaking point is not clear, it depends on what happens, we will see if prime minister the council continue, it's not like he has to offer delayed weapons, it's not normal but present reagan didic -- present reagan, and resident hw bush, when he was mad with the settlements in the west bank, but we haven't seen it in a while, and therefore it is a important pivotal point. >> general mccaffrey, more than 34,800 people have been killed since october 7, in that area,

the concern has been articulated is that the use of these particular types of weapons, especially like to place like rafah, is a line, resident biden says that civilians have been killed and the other way in which the they go after population centers but they say in order to finish destroying hamas, a known terrorist group, they need to go into rafah, is this the collision between political messaging and also life, it's an existential issue in gaza. >> i the way i think we should be very cautious about accepting at face value the 34,000 killed, that is a hamas figure, i doubt it is that number at all. on the other hand, what we can accept is that much of gaza has been destroyed or damaged and there have been significant palestinian losses. at the end of the day, hamas

chose the battlefield, their strategy is to fight amongst their civilian population underground. the idf going into try to respond to the october some of the tax had no option but to fight in populated areas. it is a tragedy. the egyptians have not helped by allowing an escape valve to move civilians into the sinai, largely empty, there has been really no solution for the day the shooting stops either, who is going to govern gaza? from the israeli perspective, their strategic demand is that hamas not be in control. i don't see how they achieve that goal either. on the tactical level, they have to give becky's hostages and put pressure on rafah and the senior hamas leadership to do that. i don't think there will be any excellent outcome for either

the israelis or the palestinian population in the coming weeks, but we are probably less than a month from seeing a grinding halt to the war. >> either through some negotiated cease-fire or a grinding halt maybe because they get too much pressure to have to continue, i do think i will desist before that general mccaffrey i think it's undisputed that there have been thousands of innocent lives that have been lost and i think that's the challenge that you speak of in terms of how to navigate what's going on over there considering the battleground that it is. peter >> and general mccaffrey, thank you for being here. when we come back, nikki haley may have dropped out of the race months ago, her voters are still in play, who is making more headway, trump or biden? we will get into it when the 11th hour continues. th hour co.

donald trump likes to appear confident, here are his recent comments about winning over voters who supported nikki haley in the primary. >> all those people are going to come to me because first of all, what is their choice, biden, the worst president in the history of the country, there is never been a president so bad, he's incompetent, they are all coming to me. we see it already. >> fact check though, nikki haley might be coming back to haunt trump, confirming a wall street journal report that she

is been meeting with donors and has no current plans to endorse donald trump. we've seen what happened in key primary states when she was on the ballot even after she dropped out, just this week she won more than 20%, 20% of the vote in indiana. it is clear that donald trump will need the nikki haley voters to win in november. democratic strategist and former director of the near state democratic party, and carlos, former florida congressman from florida, carlos and basil, thank you. truck needs these voters, he's the presumptive gop nominee, probably a fait accompli but with nikki haley, does she just and silent when she becomes the nominee? figure nikki haley has no plans of the reporting is there but i have confirmation from people who are involved in her finance team that she has no plans to get behind trump at least not

anytime soon, and you mentioned these voters, 20%. the primary is over, nikki haley is no longer a candidate and people are going to the trouble of showing up to vote against donald trump, that is a problem for him. >> quickly, there's a difference between saying i'm not going to endorse donald trump and i'm not going to vote for donald trump, right? what are you hearing about that though? because sure, there is some nuance there but if she doesn't endorse them, that's what counts, whoever she dies to vote for, we may or may -- may not find out but if she was a candidate for president and is in supporting the nominee, and is still getting 20% of the vote, that is meaningful, that makes a difference, that could cost the election. we know how close the elections have been right? >> to that point, the biden and trump campaigns are clearly trying to woo the donors, the

number in indiana was draw dropping to me. who is doing a better job, is that 20% really such a far-off dream for something like joe biden? >> i think carlos is right, the 20% is important because these are voters that were intentional about making a point to say that they did not want to support donald trump. and i do think this is where the biden money advantage becomes really important. it is not a fait accompli that they will go ahead and vote for joe biden, he has to get the votes and convince them to come out, it's going to take time but it will take eight amount of money to hold her hands through the election cycle over the next six months but if i'm nikki haley i'm looking at whether or not those voters actually do come out november, because of the people that voted for me wanted to send a message to still come out and vote, that's not a bad platform

to start a 2020 campaign for president, especially if she's talking to donors now, i don't know if it will happen but candidates always want to leave options open, and this might be a sign that she's leaving the door open. >> carlos, you and i are both floridians, bearing trump has been flying below the radar, now a rnc delegate, joining tiffany trump, eric trump, donald trump jr., and also kimberly guilfoyle, and tiffany trump's husband, talk about keeping in the family, is this a bad move to put bearing trump in this role, especially because he's been flying below the radar? >> i think it's a mistake. once someone is an adult and they take this step, they become fair game. even though he's 18, still very young, i wouldn't be putting out someone so young out there who could be under attack, i

think the whole thing is going to be unfortunate. >> i think so too. and mpg trying to make a run to try to boot mike johnson out of the house speaker seat right, but the real speaker of the house is hakeem jeffries right, think about what happened for the democrats to come in and save his hide. >> i always talk about split screens, they do actually matter in situations like this, remember we went through, i don't know 20, 50 or 100 votes to get the mccarthy successor, and it was an interesting moment because you got to see some dysfunction on the republican side, but on the democratic side everyone was united both in the vote but also the messaging about hakeem jeffries and what the democrats can do for the country. i think the democrats are heading the same notes right

now, because they will say that republicans need us to be able to govern appropriately and get policy done. that split screen becomes important, because every democrat, particularly hakeem jeffries, who has to try to get congressional seats back, will say democrats know how to govern. it's a very important talking point going forward. >> democrats getting the job done, carlos, thank you for being here at 11 something tonight. >> yes. i appreciated. >> a breakthrough in science under the sea, learning how some of the biggest animals in the ocean communicate when the 11th hour continues. th hour co. clinically proven to help reverse the four signs of early gum disease. a new toothpaste from parodontax, the gum experts. shingles. some describe it as an intense burning sensation. or an unbearable itch.

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the last thing before we go tonight, whales have entered the chat, we have all been intrigued by whales because of their size, intelligence and how they seem to communicate, and scientists are beginning to learn their alphabet. will we be able to speak to wales one day, and thompson has more. >> reporter: to you and me the underwater noises that spurn whales make sound like tapping. but these vocalizations, scientists say, are actually language. and more sophisticated than imagined and finding nemo. >> this is not well.

>> series of clicks are called coders, scientists say are the building blocks of communication between these mammoth sea creatures. far from arbitrary, the fine whales use for basic elements involving rhythm and tempo to create a phonetic alphabet. >> how does it work? >> it looks at the speed at which they are saying things, at the kind of different texture. >> emphasis. >> emphasis, how i said something.>> reporter: and the translation initiative listened to some 8700 snippets made by whales off of the carrier being island of dominica, trying to figure out what they are saying is the next step. >> do you think it's possible that one day we could talk to wales? >> i think it will be possible to be able to be sending information back and forth,

were not really sure what is going to look like, that's the cool thing. >> reporter: and become real life dr. doolittle, for the deep. nbc news. >> the beautiful giants of the sea to take us off the air tonight, on that note i wish you a good night, catch the katie phang show at 12 pm eastern on nbc, from across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late, see you at the end of tomorrow. tomorrow. tonight. >> this was what i call a nuts and slots defense. >> donald trump's attorneys i can shame stormy daniels. >> she wants the jury to think stormy daniels is a liar,