at a high price, during the war, mozambique had lost tens of thousands of its sons and daughters, the, the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, french president emmanuel, the ground says he's advocating strategic ambiguity when it comes to ukraine. this includes funding western military personnel to fight for cubes. this is not strategic ambiguity, but rather strategic confusion, the

prospecting ukraine. i'm joined by my guess oprah desires in geneva. he is an author and former un independent expert on international order in brussels. we turn to appear emmanuel, tom, mom. he is a lecture at leon university, and in nice we crossed to alex, become well rich. he is a veteran reporter and foreign affairs analyst. alright gentlemen, cross cycles and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. i would somebody go to you 1st and nice because you're in france so nice. so i started out with the french president here. he says he's advocating a form of strategic ambiguity. and then he says, under the conditions in which he will send troops, his troops, they filled troops, somebody's troops, i don't know of, and those conditions, are it kids lines break, or they a request is made, prized zelinski. so it, i don't see that as m. b, a and beauty, i find it confusing and certainly very dangerous. go ahead. alex, find the beauty, right. it's one of 2 things. either you don't know what you're talking about early, because usually look like it's, it's,

it's that simple going all along the lines of it saying he's going to send troops. and if a line breaks or if you create, makes a request. well, i think you created would've already made that request a bit of had a chance to make a request. these, these are, you'll find the sky ideas. and i felt like little napoleon here, he's, he's pushing out all these ideas to, to need a while made was really not even bad in the morning. you talked and he said, politician, nobody wants to go until you create a official. now the other side of the court is we know that since 2014, they couldn't use the americans, the french, the british, everybody stayed on the ground in ukraine, nevada officially. so what does this make of what the process? i think what makes a big difference actually when you look at diplomatic for your face, when you say you're basically on the ground, well, that takes things off a level and that's what people are sick and tired. we need to stop this type of rhetoric. we should be pulling back, we know what the situation is on the ground. winds have been broken time and time again because you created a body off,

their backing off. their line is being broken very quickly and solidly in the past few months. so why would background, say this posture, i mean, you have germany, which is the economic engine of europe. and then you have france, which is the most hardcore military, let's say the troops or existence or the military gear. and you're, they, they, armstrong, you know that about france. but that does not mean that you shouldn't be rattling that sort as much as i get rambling it. i hope that the president, she told him a thing or 2 about this. how do i actually run these days? because i need to sometimes how the adults in the room and we know when back from that with him, we all know who looked like the adult in the room. so let's pull back, let's stop playing these uh, you know, the slow your games with one another. let's get some solution. yeah, i agree, alford, you know, the, but if you look at the, the, the predicate of the crown statements and he's got his all over the place. he actually was very conciliatory in the beginning of all of this. now he's trying to be the hoc in nato, but you know, it'd be the,

the way the conditions that he said they know if the lines break. and this owens the, makes the call. doesn't that tell you that the ukraine is losing and maybe they should try a different strategy, alfred or obviously your credit is losing and they know what they're getting them sales on under pressure. and this makes me think of another french napoleon i fully understood who did not stop provoking the impressions and his arrow against uh, watch them eventually just to say face to declare war on prussia, which he lost in 6 months now. um, we don't ones that we have no clear states that can destroy not only themselves but the rest of humanity. so you need to break that gridlock. you would

need to break the break as you need to accept the fact that the whether we liked it or not, will live on only one planet. and uh, as we cannot afford to continue with escalation. what is not only mat crohn whose mad on it is joe biden, and anthony blankets and all of shots and his board minister and recei. uh, so like this for minutes or um, uh, david camera on there. oh. using very belligerent rhetoric. well, i mean, okay, now, now that you brought up a camera on, i'll go to appear menu. well, i mean, he, very, um, uh, loosely said, you know, that, you, you, craig can use whatever british weapons they want hand wherever they want, even against russia, russia proper. and then the, the, the, the response to that is that the russians are saying, well,

they will respond to any use of weapons or use against rush or use by the ukrainians. if it's use in ukraine or even beyond ukraine. now that is getting serious business here. go ahead peer emanuel. yes. you looks like and the chief of for the western states and the re friend so. so trying to take the lead, know of the and not cheap for underlying got to are you create a new will be the winnings along. russia should lewisville war and this is not operating on the grounds. so regarding the public opinion or the very relies there being a ton of music interpreting, re, so crises from the beginning keeper notice they understand more, more, but,

or at least not to less fate. and the imaging mccormick or wisdom the just been don't know what to do more to, to steal up your us credit or andrew, are the wave of filed is to increase or the, your ok should not chief like crew putting troops on the wrong, the beating the size or hitching your territory of russia or vote from the french, fun of you, your good or so these are in town or the debate in france, we'd be a nixton's jump in part of an approaching wherever. to put a stick are thought to be money when michael is very, is going to lose the butter. because or somebody of bonus ronada these main or position be just about the on the thing. look, pin is no, but dollar dollars votes expected from the bought to you have made money going back home. so the money and my car would like to reinforce these narrative of being very

strongly international. they don't have very many. well, let me answer your question. i do young uh french soldiers want to go fight in ukraine. apparently they're already there. so i'm, i mean i, it would be the, the, the general staff of france will allow the chrome to make that decision. i mean, or even the people make a decision here that the same with this, the stikes, the mistakes are so high for someone pastoring. yes, that's right. of each center will speak. oh sure. it looks like you're of this narrative is increasing on the rising mistakes on the in v. and we don't know because to look pretty border or image you're not home, might to be your feel obliged to do something to do. it was in to really troops officially. we don't know, but or many general are seen for us expos, safety issues. procedure would be a disaster because france has nothing to come out really teach with strategy. come big. you t your need,

the you sure military company beatitude behind on for us as is not ready for i entered city wall. this is why it is so denture was renewal, but to be honest with you, some instruct jobs on the grounds and of it tried to hide this fact. and the question is, would it become office charge with troops on the ground? and the, even though we've been minimum reverse of troops, right, each would be a disaster and must have french deeper. does that really bucks if you make both take our parties of position does that we'd be but, but it would be snarled. tv student going on a think until the end of your painted actions made made well, i mean, you know, it made, it was good. and let me go to alex back and nice. it was pretty pathetic if you're doing this kind of calculation based on europe and elections that the stakes are much higher then these elections coming up here. you know, the problem alex here is that the chrome keeps saying russia should not be allowed to win. is that a strategy and what about ukraine?

go ahead. no. i mean, that's a big question and i, what are the say the rest of wants to take over all of you create that has never been to the, the idea. if anything, the 1st move is a key was to do the exact same thing that the americans did announce the cool governments and basically put somebody else in charge with a little bit more common sense of the people that are running the show at the time . for russian to take over ukraine, again, that that's not a strategic value to reference goals of all the to the have. they are holding the land, the russian speakers with their that lost their rights to speak their language, ross butler, just to teach their, their kids russians to watch the rights to have their signs up in russian. i mean, these are, these are things that we see happen around the world when you are either ethnic cleansing or you're pushing people out of an area. so what russia did was defending is people of people that cause i did apply themselves as russian does rush. i have an a, a, basically some sort of idea of going to the very end of your credit of inquiry about missiles pointing out at your brushing missiles. don't have to go up to the border of the youtube to hit their targets,

just like western missiles. don't have to go up to the board or russia, but for some reason, they thought it would be a good idea to expand the needle, you credit, which is the biggest level of land next to russia all the way up to the border. and we all know, i think we all know that we're sitting here and the people that are watching this. we know how this started. we know that there were negotiations on the table that this never had to happen. and they all came from the west. the us and friends, and in the have, you know, people have been talking more forever. obviously the you went of see all of this is the 1990 this month. that's the bottom line. we have special interest groups, the united states. and beyond that, we're making a lot of cash for this. and at the same time, a lot of people are dying and they don't have to send americans in when they can use you could use as content bought her and those poor civilians are going through this are absolutely no reason this can't stop. well, alex, so they can say to you, before i say with you before we go to the break here, what happens if french troops start dying? what is background going to do then?

well, they say that the red pression mercenaries of what, well the power in leaf, and they say, is already there. they say the forwarding legion's already there. the formulas ever again, j. c, up to the canadian aspects of horses or wherever they are in 2014 and i'm sure they're, they're there to, to some degree right now. just like probably all righty. i'm still going to have to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion about you can stay with our team, the, or

the russian states. never as tight as one of the most sense community best most all set and set up the same assistance, probably disappearing must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on the russia funding and supports the r t. suppose next, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the fitness center. for what question did you say

a request to check the the welcome back to the prospect where all things are considered. i'm peter roosevelt remind you were discussing. you create the

. okay, let's go back to l for it in geneva, which is for every action there's an equal reaction in the reaction build this loose rhetoric that we have heard of, particularly over the last few new cycles or rush has decided to a start exercise is a, uh, a new killer drills for the gum duper as a precaution because of the very provocative language coming out of western capital's irresponsible language. i would say, i think we would all agree, but say there is a reaction and this is an escalation. don't western leaders understand that this is a reaction to their loose rhetoric? alfred. uh no, they do not want to understand. i mean, they live in their power level world, or peril of reality. and the public, the masses are subject to re lend class brain washing. i me and it's not only new york times, washington post,

and then frank pulled out behind it. so i don't even hear in switzerland. you re nonsense in there? no, i have to over to the title and organizations like mine, i'm in the dba. international peace research institute, the get rate, we have pulled out a blueprint for peace and ukraine. we have sent it to the r o. c h a the hall in burn. and of course, you know that we in switzerland i was, was visited. we are going to have uh, in may and do this so called peace conference of the building stuck on lake road south. now they are going to be a lot of, of friends for peace, but 10 point plan off. uh, sure landscape is delusional. absolutely. uh, disconnected uh from reality, but uh the truck point point uh,

plan of the chinese is good. the 10 point blind. all the africans is good. uh, the international progress organization has put up a very good plan. also told frances had put out a plan. so there are ideas out there, and my hope is that if enough states participate, obviously russia is not going to participate. that's clear. but uh, if uh, say the presence of china and india and south africa and brazil and mexico etc, might lead to the conference to discard the 10 point applying of isolated scale as totally unrealistic. i start to look for possibilities of a compromise. well, it is, it's interesting now for that, you mentioned a number of countries around the world, the energy individual, the pope, in organizations that have a blueprint to start the process of ending this complex here. i'm going to go to appear menu. all right, now, um, but no western leader does that no western lead,

no one in nato. does that. and putting into knowledge and rig tag i add on permanent to hang on, hang on pollutants. and now you ration, he said russia remains open to dialogue and it's up to the other side to decide how to move forward, appearing menu. well, i mean, where is the, the, the piece plan from the biden? people from cameron from sergeant schultz. where is it? they never use that language of, of ending this conflict and maintaining security for all players. they never talk about language. go ahead and brussels. yeah. so unfortunately, or i've seen it in your, appear on the member states of natal on not through the silver rain anymore. and resp, or are they your, i think they, the she to more or while you are g to up to your awesome are why are to be 0 attempting system with a run ca,

we'd be nate to that to of an independent voters. and this is like your, the, your pencil, competing to be the best artist of washington. and are trying to also, at the same time, to see, to of, of, back to you in case of for trump will be elected because they seem to the united states with the less um, less it'd be present in europe in office. but that's a sick time, a very your, the photo, the main, your part of the car objectives of, of washington. and it's likely they want to find a nice in to be sure, or is a monique of washington in europe and to, to, to found available own leadership weaving, or vis systemic or the west on the dominus, we've out to try to find any, your end of this conflict because we're menu, well i, i don't want to, i don't want to be to um, um,

insulting here. but is there any leadership in europe at all? i mean, you know, you see this background. he is, he's is channeling his entered a gall. he can't find it. cameron is no churchill. i mean, where is leadership in europe? i mean, they're all replaced. well, you could take the prime minister from finland and put them in italy. it wouldn't, no one would notice. go ahead go. exactly. so the closer, the better to kind of cross easier of a very your low quality to be frank. those seems the departure of the board. and for us on more more you've been seeing president on the front small more lines on the i would say, or under sex on the water, we go to the independent voice. and or it might even more cool or sure does in the, in the experience of,

for read crises of low instruction on whether last president with experience in war and, or they use it. they don't understand this new merchant put on war because they come from in the ideal g. carter butler upfront, it should do it takes the lead was your project. but the v e u is dependent on a tool and west of the maintenance and the the can be done on the stand up to position them serve in this new emergency put on work emerging. we're actually due is losing power on the left side only. uh and hardwood cvt close the is making a b i the rest of our the wait, we have the polish official them wanting to host the american nucular missiles on their soil. i mean, what country in the world is we don't we want. we want to be a target for in a new killer war i, i just, i can't understand that whatsoever. why would you want to do that? unless you want to just curry favor, you want to, you want it, you're giving

a nod to washington. you, where are you? where are your guys in europe? the get differential get the germans. poland will stand with you. i mean, this is insanity red and the russians are not going to react to it. really go ahead and why don't we need to talk? suppose people, instead of the post politics is, which are almost obviously by, i don't think the, if he talked everybody that's close anywhere here. you're a big book. oh, you're very different story about their feelings to what's happening in ukraine. they're, they're still in some sense in the he, you added your but if you look at the end of the line, they're looking at the hungary, if you're looking into carissa, you listen to some of their politicians. these are people that have seen it, especially the crisis i get outside of the you talking to serve use, you know there's, there's a whole. ready mythology, that serbia somehow attached to, to rush to like to buy it and go to court. it's, it's not there. there's people that are pro and anti rush and serbia as well as encroachment. but these are countries that see war, they know what it's about, that they're politicians that are know,

leading those stations know exactly what happens and they know that it's, it's something to be avoided. go a little bit north, the hungary, then you just got a politician there, a man running the show that seems out a lot more common sense that when you start from the west. well, alford, it seems to me, with all this loose endangers rhetoric, coming out of western capital's out of nato land here. their primary objective is to keep it going, in lieu of doing something out. they don't know what to do. so what, what's the option? keep it going until the last ukrainian is gone. alfred, it was going to be back when the last 2 great and is gone. because then what do you do at that particular point? i mean, the sooner or later you have to accept that this failed the same as a us incursions in vietnam, failed. same as that your wasn't. carson in afghanistan failed the your stuff, it very easily. just turns the page. nothing ever happened. we forget it. we leave a mess behind, but the europeans, they are in

a very difficult position. there are intelligent people like dominique that he bought. who have uh said, very intelligent things you have in german. a guy falls on the drawing board and several old are full of patients, but they're not in power. there is a total disconnect between the elite, between our so called democratically elected leaders, and the people as the masses of people in spain or friends, or nearly they don't want war. nobody wants more, but their leaders are making money. their leaders are how exec in the service of washington or wait one day, historians will tell us. or if you're with lawyers that can explain that to us today would be useful. but uh, we are just postponing uh, the moment of proofs. and i'm very concerned about miscalculations at

that time when ukraine has really been defeated. what they're yeah. well, it's interesting, perry, manual i, i, i've often said on this program. you know, you, you might, you often hear the phrase, future historians will explain to us how we got here, but i don't think we really need his story in the future. we're going to need psychologists. what was wrong with these decision makers? why did they make the decisions the way they did? they're making decisions against their own invested interest, their own people's interest. and there was security because at the end of the day, for the russians, this is all about security and know europe and leader is talking about security. it's amazing to me. go ahead, parent manuel. yes, it's we remember. let's remember, his fame was book the sleep woke up from christopher cock call. we arrive, oh, the 1st world war is taught each and do each countries a different interest to be before it will be

a little kind of war on venue. we came to with 1st of all because we were miscalculations or a lot of properties on the from all sides. they were lying in the newspapers to what people are. that's no, actually the people are, they want to find the right information. we are to not keep sides, so need to and that's yukon and do mobile or people or folks up or e for us, very read. the more i tell not cheap p expos, whichever tools to what people are. and that's why the elections he's going to be already. it'd be good the surprise or, and also, or many military expense, actually would be lying on tv, on the root situation. because they've been paid to say that, that they don't know what to do. they don't know what to say anymore because you what the research is not happening and are very, very find only a growth cvt on the well large and we're gonna end up selling. we're going to end

the program on the same road that we started it. this is all strategic confusion and we're all going to pay dearly for gentleman that's all the time we have a want to thank my guess a nice brussels and engineers. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t. see you next time, and remember across the rules, the the, the world's largest democracy votes, the rest of the planet watchers in an emerging multi polar world. india's voice matters, but who will be the power behind watches, almost 1000000000 people decide, and billions, react the

known in vietnam, the american war, the vietnam war last, it's almost 2 decades and dragged in numerous countries. not any written down, then you don't see it now. why it's all i'm empty. hundreds of thousands of american troops was sent to the country to back the south vietnamese on me. i got the development not meant to supply the american soldiers limited resistors, most loosely down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals. and lee laid up day by all right. did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did and on the vietnamese veterans ready to forgive? yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that's

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